top bands i love to hate: (mainly because of the people who like them, more so than the music generally...so maybe i should call this "top bands' fans i love to hate"...but anyway)

godspeed you black emporer!
sigur ros (even though they made a neat record)
slint
pretty well anyone who's played bonaroo (except bob dylan)
bright eyes (even though he made a pretty cool record too)
the strokes

conversely, here are bands i dig in spite of having a legion of fans that appear to be total jerk-offs:

interpol
the smiths/morrissey
red house painters
the cure
the police

"Doesn't my T-Shirt rock?" No, it doesn't, and neither does Van Halen, nor have they ever. Now shut the fuck up.

LVP,

I am sorry, but you are wrong about this Van-Halen-never-rocking business. I'll have you know VH did indeed do a bit of rocking in their halcyon days, and I say this as a chubby and aging, non-ironic man of passion and heart (please remove the image of Van Halen's bass player from your mind).

Yes. Despite their bass-soloing silliness, they did manage to squeeze out a few gems like "Hot for Teacher", etc. They did rock. And David Lee Roth's autobiography is really good.

OK!

Carry on.

mattw wrote:I'm thinking of a guy who was at the Fucking Champs show who had an Interpol haircut- he kept walking around, showing off his ironic t-shirt and keeping his greasy hair neatly tucked behind his ear. Awwwww, but he was so cute...

this (and pretty much every other post in this thread) is a pretty good example of the pointless bitterness toward "hipsters" that i find probably more annoying than some guy or girl who dresses trendily. i've got some advice for you all: try not to be so shallow and live and let live. comparing what some drummer from x band wears compared to a random guy at a show and bitching about him without knowing the first thing about his personality is trite and presumptous. i'm sorry to come off as some high ground taking prick, but everybody has bad personality traits, from being prejuciced to accepting and employing fashion trends.

same wrote:

mattw wrote:I'm thinking of a guy who was at the Fucking Champs show who had an Interpol haircut- he kept walking around, showing off his ironic t-shirt and keeping his greasy hair neatly tucked behind his ear. Awwwww, but he was so cute...

this (and pretty much every other post in this thread) is a pretty good example of the pointless bitterness toward "hipsters" that i find probably more annoying than some guy or girl who dresses trendily. i've got some advice for you all: try not to be so shallow and live and let live. comparing what some drummer from x band wears compared to a random guy at a show and bitching about him without knowing the first thing about his personality is trite and presumptous. i'm sorry to come off as some high ground taking prick, but everybody has bad personality traits, from being prejuciced to accepting and employing fashion trends.

Amen. Salut Msr. Same.

-Jeremy

oucheh wrote:

same wrote:

mattw wrote:I'm thinking of a guy who was at the Fucking Champs show who had an Interpol haircut- he kept walking around, showing off his ironic t-shirt and keeping his greasy hair neatly tucked behind his ear. Awwwww, but he was so cute...

this (and pretty much every other post in this thread) is a pretty good example of the pointless bitterness toward "hipsters" that i find probably more annoying than some guy or girl who dresses trendily. i've got some advice for you all: try not to be so shallow and live and let live. comparing what some drummer from x band wears compared to a random guy at a show and bitching about him without knowing the first thing about his personality is trite and presumptous. i'm sorry to come off as some high ground taking prick, but everybody has bad personality traits, from being prejuciced to accepting and employing fashion trends.

Amen. Salut Msr. Same.

-Jeremy

I mainly agree, and decided that any irritation on my part towards people openly trendy was a pointless and negative expenditure of energy. The only reason I'm inclined to disagree is not really music related, but...

I was in Hoxton a few months ago, at a performance and video projection evening which sounded pretty interesting. The event was at least 90% attended by "hipsters", who spent the entire evening ignoring any of the art on show, talking over it and distracting me from it. This actually turned out to be not such a bad thing, as the event was piss poor anyway. But it was the principle: even those people who had PRODUCED the videos were talking over theirs and others' work! It really did give the distinct impression of people putting on a social with some "clever" art in the background, just to show that they can be "clever". There was very little interest in the art itself. I found this very irritating.

But I'm aware that this was a one-off really.

Certainly in the UK, you have to weigh up the hipster "threat". "Hipsters", generally are easy to ignore, and should be ignored if they are likely to increase your blood pressure. I would still rather attend an event frequented by those who I would label "hipsters" than I would an event attended by aggressive chavs downing pints and starting fights. There is no contest. This type of primitive life-form consumes any positivity and pukes it out in a bilebeer scumthrust. Be thankful that a "hipstar" is too busy looking cool to get in your face like that.

Ha ha! "Hipstar". I like that typo, so I'm keeping it in.

SpankMarvin wrote:

oucheh wrote:

same wrote:

mattw wrote:I'm thinking of a guy who was at the Fucking Champs show who had an Interpol haircut- he kept walking around, showing off his ironic t-shirt and keeping his greasy hair neatly tucked behind his ear. Awwwww, but he was so cute...

this (and pretty much every other post in this thread) is a pretty good example of the pointless bitterness toward "hipsters" that i find probably more annoying than some guy or girl who dresses trendily. i've got some advice for you all: try not to be so shallow and live and let live. comparing what some drummer from x band wears compared to a random guy at a show and bitching about him without knowing the first thing about his personality is trite and presumptous. i'm sorry to come off as some high ground taking prick, but everybody has bad personality traits, from being prejuciced to accepting and employing fashion trends.

Amen. Salut Msr. Same.

-Jeremy

I mainly agree, and decided that any irritation on my part towards people openly trendy was a pointless and negative expenditure of energy. The only reason I'm inclined to disagree is not really music related, but...

I was in Hoxton a few months ago, at a performance and video projection evening which sounded pretty interesting. The event was at least 90% attended by "hipsters", who spent the entire evening ignoring any of the art on show, talking over it and distracting me from it. This actually turned out to be not such a bad thing, as the event was piss poor anyway. But it was the principle: even those people who had PRODUCED the videos were talking over theirs and others' work! It really did give the distinct impression of people putting on a social with some "clever" art in the background, just to show that they can be "clever". There was very little interest in the art itself. I found this very irritating.

But I'm aware that this was a one-off really.

Certainly in the UK, you have to weigh up the hipster "threat". "Hipsters", generally are easy to ignore, and should be ignored if they are likely to increase your blood pressure. I would still rather attend an event frequented by those who I would label "hipsters" than I would an event attended by aggressive chavs downing pints and starting fights. There is no contest. This type of primitive life-form consumes any positivity and pukes it out in a bilebeer scumthrust. Be thankful that a "hipstar" is too busy looking cool to get in your face like that.

Ha ha! "Hipstar". I like that typo, so I'm keeping it in.

I agree with 'same'. And 'spank marvin' too. Openly hating 'hipsters' is elitist in a way that cool EA forumites needn't be. 'Hipsters' who behave in a way that substantively affects one's enjoyment (eg. talking over Low) needn't be classified as 'Hipsters'; they're just being dicks. People who wear stupid clothes, or like bands that I don't like...well...sometimes it pisses me off, tbh, but I try not to get irate about it, because I know it makes me sound like a moan.

Also, remember that 'Hipsters' call people like us/you 'Musos'.

I'm not sure what 'hipster' is.

Is a 'hipster' a person that wears fashionable clothing?

It's a type of trouser isn't it?

http://shopping.kelkoo.co.uk/b/a/ss_hip ... users.html


I am actually quite happy to label certain annoying sorts as 'hipsters'. There're plenty of them in London and they do talk loudly too much (for example over Slint shows).

sparky wrote:It's a type of trouser isn't it?

http://shopping.kelkoo.co.uk/b/a/ss_hip ... users.html


I am actually quite happy to label certain annoying sorts as 'hipsters'. There're plenty of them in London and they do talk loudly too much (for example over Slint shows).

But what is a 'hipster'?

Is this correct?

5. hipster
people in thier teens to 20s who generally listen to indie rock, hang out in coffee shops, shop at the thrift store and talk about things like books, music, films and art.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... ipster&r=f

Because that sounds like me, apart from the thrift store and the fact that I'm 32. And the fact that I can't hang-out much since I have a family.

I don't get it.

Superking wrote:

"Doesn't my T-Shirt rock?" No, it doesn't, and neither does Van Halen, nor have they ever. Now shut the fuck up.

LVP,

I am sorry, but you are wrong about this Van-Halen-never-rocking business. I'll have you know VH did indeed do a bit of rocking in their halcyon days, and I say this as a chubby and aging, non-ironic man of passion and heart (please remove the image of Van Halen's bass player from your mind).

Yes. Despite their bass-soloing silliness, they did manage to squeeze out a few gems like "Hot for Teacher", etc. They did rock. And David Lee Roth's autobiography is really good.

Yeah, someone else called me on this. You folks might be right. I don't know. I haven't heard everything by Van Halen. I think I have heard a song or two from various points in Van Halen's history, and I've never heard anything that I would describe as "rocking"- but I'll take your word for it. And I do like David Lee Roth (a bit), in spite of myself.