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Krev wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:21 am Biden does need to shut the fuck up. Anyone can tell exactly what he was trying to say, but his gaffe was clearly going to trigger those fucking vultures.

If you watch that clip, his garbled cognitive display is en fuego. He starts with "Puerto Rico, where I'm from...." So totally buy that he didn't MEAN to call half the population of the US garbage...but he does, and doesn't have the capacity to correct course in the moment, which is what would be necessary. I love the grammatical acrobatics they pull to try to spin this in the transcript, but yeah...he just needs to be muzzled. Can you imagine if he was still the candidate?

I sincerely wish for Biden to go away and go away mad, but Trump's derangement still needs to be called out at every turn. The hypocrisy and double standards from Shitler's support system when it comes to his diarrhœa of the mouth is astounding.

Curry Pervert wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:12 pm By all means point me to my quote that says Russia is being invaded.

Right, your post does not contain the specific phrase "Russia is being invaded", it is merely agreeing with the claim that Ukraine is waging war against Russia on behalf of NATO. Clearly a universe of difference there.

If not either of those, then what point were you trying to make?

kokorodoko wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:30 am it is merely agreeing with the claim that Ukraine is waging war against Russia on behalf of NATO.

I've got enough pokers in the fire, but how could this ever be considered untrue? That they have their own reasons is fair enough, but doesn't preclude the other.

Biden absolutely screwed up with his "garbage" comment. It's not hard to tell what he really meant, but he should stay away from microphones until after Election Day. At least if he's gonna go off script.

zorg wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 2:07 pm

kokorodoko wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:30 am the claim that Ukraine is waging war against Russia on behalf of NATO.

how could this ever be considered untrue?

I'm asking myself the opposite question. Under no description of the actual situation does this make sense. Russia is waging war against Ukraine, not the other way around.

kokorodoko wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 2:46 pm

zorg wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 2:07 pm

kokorodoko wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:30 am the claim that Ukraine is waging war against Russia on behalf of NATO.

how could this ever be considered untrue?

I'm asking myself the opposite question. Under no description of the actual situation does this make sense. Russia is waging war against Ukraine, not the other way around.

Fair enough, and a valid distinction. Doesn't let the NATO off the hook though.

zorg wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 2:59 pm

kokorodoko wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 2:46 pm

zorg wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 2:07 pm
how could this ever be considered untrue?

I'm asking myself the opposite question. Under no description of the actual situation does this make sense. Russia is waging war against Ukraine, not the other way around.

Fair enough, and a valid distinction. Doesn't let the NATO off the hook though.

This is the pitfall with contrarian thinking. You have valid complaints against NATO and it tempts you into blaming a country for being attacked. NATO can be bad, Russia can be bad and Ukraine can deserve to have sovereign borders. I hate the tankie reasoning that empathizes with aurocrats.

No one will EVER convince me that Russia invading Ukraine was a pre-emptive defensive move against Ukraine talking about thinking about hypothetically someday maybe joining NATO. "Look what you (NATO) made me (Putin) do" is abuser talk.

joe_lmr wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 1:34 pm No one will EVER convince me that Russia invading Ukraine was a pre-emptive defensive move against Ukraine talking about thinking about hypothetically someday maybe joining NATO. "Look what you (NATO) made me (Putin) do" is abuser talk.

Yeah. That argument is something someone would say on The Joe Rogan Experience (pejorative). It's a paper-thin pretense for committing barbarism, and it's BS.