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311 by tinycorkscrew_Archive
vockins wrote:
tinycorkscrew wrote:Maybe, but not necessarily. ESPN still uses the old Zone Rating formula. John Dewan, the originator of the stat, has since revised it to make it more accurate:

Revised Zone Rating for National League RF

I don't think Bradley R. Weissenberger is a big fan of that particular metric.


The interesting thing there is that Jeter is near the bottom in every year from 2004-2007.

Sometimes good hitters have off years at the plate, and sometimes bad hitters produce great numbers for one fluky year. It seems that defense fluctuates, too, although perhaps not as frequently or to the same degree.

Adam Dunn is actually having a good defensive year, too.

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312 by vockins_Archive
tinycorkscrew wrote:It seems that defense fluctuates, too, although perhaps not as frequently or to the same degree.

Joking aside, I'm honestly not a fan of RZR. Just looking at the shortstops - people are all over the place from year to year. I appreciate the effort, but those dudes have a shitload of work to do.

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313 by Yngwie Einstein_Archive
I'm not sure how I feel about the Griffey trade. Fielding stats for outfielders misleading and I haven't been following him for a while. Does he still have a good arm? CF is an easier position to field than RF and he would be a defensive improvement over Swisher (I think), but not Anderson (who can't hit consistently), and he lacks the speed of Wise. But Masset seemed to be having a solid year in middle relief and the way the Sox bullpen has been going lately, they may need that arm more than the bat down the stretch.
meh

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314 by tinycorkscrew_Archive
vockins wrote:
tinycorkscrew wrote:It seems that defense fluctuates, too, although perhaps not as frequently or to the same degree.

Joking aside, I'm honestly not a fan of RZR. Just looking at the shortstops - people are all over the place from year to year. I appreciate the effort, but those dudes have a shitload of work to do.


If you are familiar with the methodology Dewan uses for The Fielding Bible, it's pretty hard to argue with his results. They actually watch every play from every game when feeding data into the system. They track both range and throws, look at how well infielders turn double plays, measure how well players charge the ball or go back on balls hit over their heads, etc. It's miles ahead of every other defensive metric, and those that have developed other metrics will admit to it.

Unfortunately, AFAIK, Dewan doesn't publish results until the end of the season, so there's no way to observe fluctuations in defense during the year - I'd be interested in seeing if some players are particularly streaky.

As for Jeter, clearly his offense has made up for his defensive shortcomings in the past. It's ridiculous that Morneau beat him out for the MVP in 2006.

That said, he's not been very good this year. It's pretty sad that he's making $21.6 million this year when one can argue that a lifetime scrub like Ryan Theriot is having a better season.

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316 by vockins_Archive
tinycorkscrew wrote:
vockins wrote:
tinycorkscrew wrote:It seems that defense fluctuates, too, although perhaps not as frequently or to the same degree.

Joking aside, I'm honestly not a fan of RZR. Just looking at the shortstops - people are all over the place from year to year. I appreciate the effort, but those dudes have a shitload of work to do.


If you are familiar with the methodology Dewan uses for The Fielding Bible, it's pretty hard to argue with his results. They actually watch every play from every game when feeding data into the system. They track both range and throws, look at how well infielders turn double plays, measure how well players charge the ball or go back on balls hit over their heads, etc. It's miles ahead of every other defensive metric, and those that have developed other metrics will admit to it.
I'm familiar with the methodology, and I still have my doubts about it's ability to accurately measure defensive skill, especially for middle infielders.

I'll agree that it's better than other defensive metrics. That's a bit like me saying I'm a better drummer than 98% of the drummers on the eastern seaboard under age 12. (OK, 85%)

It's August, there's been a shit ton of baseball played, and this metric is telling me that Jeter and Tejada are the best SS in MLB in 2008? Come on, Fielding Bible guy. That's a very healthy sample size. Especially for Jeter. The guy plays behind notorious ground ball pitchers. Something's fucking broken in that computer.

That said, he's not been very good this year. It's pretty sad that he's making $21.6 million this year when one can argue that a lifetime scrub like Ryan Theriot is having a better season.
Well, Jeter's MLB leading defense makes up for it, right?

I'm just not buying it yet. Maybe one day I will, but not now. And if the guy Dewan has declared as the poster boy for substandard defense is out of the blue leading the league in his metric, I'd imagine he's going back to the drawing board, too.

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320 by AlBStern_Archive
Nothing I haven't seen all season. The fact that we (yeah, that's how I say it) weren't sellers at the trade deadline is ridiculous. There is no chance this club passes the Sox AND Twins. Dump who you can for whatever you can get. Rogers, Jones, Rentadiarhea, Sheff (as if we could get someone to take him) We didn't need Farnsworth even though he can probably help. We need prospects. That team is a bunch of dinasours. Time to inject some youth and speed into the club.
Eat me.
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