Glenn W. Turner wrote:

rayj wrote:

Glenn W. Turner wrote:What on Earth prompted this email?

Well, I wanted to know what the guy thought about the whole issue. I assumed he wouldn't give a shit, but he does.

I asked before posting the Snailboy/Shorty 'practice' recordings, too.

I like Sutcliffe Jugend and Shorty/U.S. Maple. As a result, I try to respect their material in a way that works for them. It is their production, after all.

So, if you own a CDR of an album, I am to assume that you don't respect that band? Ray, I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just don't understand your position. This is material that isn't commercially available.

Nah, I don't really have a position. I take these things on a 'case-by-case' basis...I don't feel bad about a lot of the CD-R's I have. I just wondered what the guy thought...asked him...got a response that demonstrated a concern...decided that it felt better to comply with that concern...etc. Rest assured that this is a personal decision, and no desire to take some sort of 'moral high road', and so on.

[url=http://www.divshare.com/download/2276671-32f]

George Crumb / William Schuman: Orchestral Music[/url]

1. (A) Haunted Landscape
Composed by George Crumb
Performed by New York Philharmonic Orchestra
Conducted by Zubin Mehta

2. Colloquies
Composed by William Schuman
Performed by New York Philharmonic Orchestra
with Philip Myers
Conducted by Zubin Mehta

The two works recorded here were both commissioned and premiered by the New York Philharmonic. Both works, in their distinctively individual ways, exploit the infinitely rich varieties of orchestral color available. Like all of George Crumb’s music, A Haunted Landscape is a unique sonic experience, tone color being paramount. Of this work, Crumb says, “ The title reflects my feeling that certain places on the planet Earth are imbued with an aura of mystery…The contemplation of a landscape can induce complex psychological states, and perhaps music is an ideal medium for delineating the tiny, subtle nuances of emotion and sensibility that hover between the subliminal and the unconscious.”

William Schuman’s Three Colloquies (Rumination, Renewal, Remembrance) progresses emotionally and harmonically from the clanging, dissonant seven-note chords that open Rumination to the peaceful chorale of major triads that closes Remembrance. The outer movements are in slow tempi—the first dramatic, the last lyrical. The central and largest movement is a lively symphonic scherzo. There are no pauses between movements.

This is a vinyl rip of a digital recording. That's pretty weird, isn't it.

rayj wrote:Bad news for me.

I e-mailed Mr. Tomkins concerning downloads of Sutcliffe Jugend material...especially the 'We Spit On Their Graves' stuff. Here's the reply:

Hi Ray

Thanks for your honesty regards the downloading of "We Spit On Their Graves".

WSOTG is a difficult issue. Especially regarding genuine fans like yourself. People want to hear it, but there are only a handfull of original legitimate copies around. The prices some people have paid for the vinyl bootleg have been surprising to say the least. Against this of course are the matters of artistic and mechanical control.

We do intend to reissue WSOTG in it's complete form in the not too distant future. So clearly downloads may cause a problem at some stage.

However, while I cannot condone the downloading of our music, I fully understand people's need to hear difficult to find releases. All very easy to do in a world where it is obtainable free at the touch of a button.

Due to file sharing program's such as Soulseek, downloads are an inevitable inconvinience for artists. I think it becomes more of a problem when downloads are made available on the internet through forum's, blogs or personal download site's.

If I could put a stop to people downloading Sutcliffe Jugend material tomorrow, I would.

This will never happen.

While not giving you a straight reply, I hope this goes some way to answering your question, which I think is a personal issue at the end of the day. Either you are comfortable doing it, or you are not . . .

Whatever your decision I would ask that you do not share it with anyone else.

regards

Kevin

In return, I offered to pay him for the privilege of listening to these files, or to prepay for an order of the upcoming reissue. I'm still waiting to hear back on that...

This is a case where I'm definitely wanting to comply with the artist's wishes. However, I will never be able to afford access to the originals...so, if Mr. Tomkins doesn't reply relatively soon, I'm left with no choice but to delete these wonderful files. Which I haven't listened to yet.

Fucking hell.

Wow. Way to go, making me look like a dick.

I love Sutcliffe Jugend. I really do. I heard about them from someone on this board, and went on a rampage getting what I could of theirs. Then I heard about the box set. Shit. Fuck. Piss. Violent overload. A friend of mine and a fellow SJ fan went searching, and believe it or not the next day he gave me a CD-R with the entire set. I mean, fuck, if that doesn't speak for just how much people want this set, nothing does. Figured I'd share it since it was THIS board which made me put some of my money on the table for Tompkins, and sorry folks, but I doubt anyone on this board has (and if they do, would they?) the nearly $500 to shell out for the OOP set.

If it was reissued tomorrow, I'd buy it. I'd even post pictures of my journey to a record store that had it. But until then, I do want to hear it, and with no disrespect to Mr. Tompkins, yeah, I'm going to listen to it and love it. But if he is adamantly against sharing it, I'm won't do it any longer. I think the sendspace link is dead by now anyways.

Before this turns into another download debate or whatever, I will say I admire your courage for emailing Mr. Tompkins about illegally(?) downloading his set. You have a much bigger (and obviously more overwhelming) conscience than I do. I wonder how much he may "charge" you for downloading an OOP, sold out, low bit rate rip of a box set (with no .jpgs or even a .txt file). I'm still kind of shocked he actually gives a shit. By the same token, who knows how I'd feel in the same situation?

Anyone going to write to Stockhausen or Phil Spector?

Steve V. wrote:
Wow. Way to go, making me look like a dick.

Aw, man, I'm sorry. For the record, I posted a SJ album some time ago. I really didn't intend to make anyone look bad...

Steve V. wrote:If it was reissued tomorrow, I'd buy it. I'd even post pictures of my journey to a record store that had it. But until then, I do want to hear it, and with no disrespect to Mr. Tompkins, yeah, I'm going to listen to it and love it. But if he is adamantly against sharing it, I'm won't do it any longer. I think the sendspace link is dead by now anyways.

Before this turns into another download debate or whatever, I will say I admire your courage for emailing Mr. Tompkins about illegally(?) downloading his set. You have a much bigger (and obviously more overwhelming) conscience than I do. I wonder how much he may "charge" you for downloading an OOP, sold out, low bit rate rip of a box set (with no .jpgs or even a .txt file). I'm still kind of shocked he actually gives a shit. By the same token, who knows how I'd feel in the same situation?

That was the essence of my reply. I just wondered about it for a second, fired off an e-mail assuming I would get a 'don't worry about it, check out the new album' sort of reply, and instead got a grudging 'well, OK, but I hate it'. I'd send him ten bucks to keep from feeling bad about the deal.

dunno if this has been posted before.

almost a complete discography of marc riley & the creepers.

i don't know who did this but thanks, dude.


http://rapidshare.com/files/60751945/Ma ... Disc_1.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/60763153/Ma ... Disc_2.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/60772041/Ma ... .part1.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/60775390/Ma ... .part2.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/60767825/Ma ... Disc_4.rar

edit: marc riley was a member of the fall until 1983 or so. this stuff is all vinyl rips and most was never released on cd.

regarding the sutcliffe jugend: what does he think is worse: some guy making hundreds on a rare record or someone downloading (it is OOP) for free? by any stretch it would seem to me that the former ought to be more offensive to the artist. in the latter case, with an OOP item, the artist "loses" nothing. in the former someone else is making money on the artist's labor and ideas.

What're the creepers like?

edpriesner wrote:What're the creepers like?

kinda like the fall meets the blue orchids.

Snack Truck - Demos

I would like to share one of my most prized possessions, a tour CD-R by the band Snack Truck. A guitar/drums duo, I believe the band started in Harrisonburg, VA but now lives in PA somewhere...? They still play a few times a year in the east, to my knowledge. Most of these songs have since been rerecorded and released on a proper album, but these recordings are just excellent, and totally unavailable. I scanned the sleeve myself. Really strange, sometimes sounding like a synth being smashed or tape burning up. Good Bean sound on this too.

thanks dipshit, i can't wait to listen to that later.