zorg wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:46 pm Ok, so let me ask you this....what do you make of all the EU leaders lining up to pucker up and kiss Trumps ass now? Do you think your elected leaders have any more conviction than the revenge of Joe Sixpack? Because, from my viewpoint at least our excuse is he's OUR idiot, but you've intentionally welcomed him into your orbit. Hope you're paying your NATO dues.

For the most part I think they're cowards - the ones who have about-turned come the result certainly are. I don't see what that has to do with the collective, predictable failings of the voting non-right. Maybe you've bumped your head, or are thick, or both. Toodle pip.

I was talking with a friend about this shitshow and one thing that came up is that many cis people who consider themselves allies still seem to have wide tolerance when it comes to keeping transphobic friends and people in their social groups around. There’s often a claim that they are trying to “change” or “soften” them but I can’t say I’ve ever actually seen it happen in practice. There’s real strong social taboos when it becomes to being openly bigoted in other matters, but not really much of the sort when it comes to trans people, and I’ve ended up in many situations where a well-meaning cis person invited me to a party or other gathering and one of their friends said or did some nasty shit to me. Back when I used Facebook, I’d constantly have to block friends-of-friends when they’d make extremely transphobic posts. I really wish allies would do a lot more putting their foot down when it comes to this, now more than ever.

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:49 pm

zorg wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:46 pm Ok, so let me ask you this....what do you make of all the EU leaders lining up to pucker up and kiss Trumps ass now? Do you think your elected leaders have any more conviction than the revenge of Joe Sixpack? Because, from my viewpoint at least our excuse is he's OUR idiot, but you've intentionally welcomed him into your orbit. Hope you're paying your NATO dues.

For the most part I think they're cowards - the ones who have about-turned come the result certainly are. I don't see what that has to do with the collective, predictable failings of the voting non-right. Maybe you've bumped your head, or are thick, or both. Toodle pip.

I'm saying how could you expect the average American to be better than foreign leaders when presented with the proverbial carrot at the end of the stick. They capitulate, resign their morality and take as big of a bite as they can.

Curry Pervert wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:54 pm

TylerDeadPine wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:32 am Inflation alone would have lost it for dems

The exit polls are apparently reporting that the economy was the main factor.


Another indicator that education is failing.

Yeah, that's always kind of been the case though - if Trump was in office during Joe's term, we would likely be looking at President Butigegedgebd or something.

A lot of that feedback likely came from stupid boomers and Gen Xers. That indicates education has been failing since the 60's. A cursory look at social media would show they can't even form thoughts.

They just regurgitate every Murdoch propaganda talking point they ingest. "But hunter bidan laptop!"

Trump’s campaign was absolutely relentless when it came to transphobic and xenophobic bigotry. Say what you want about low information voters not understanding what’s best for their own interests but I doubt they weren’t aware of his positions on those topics and yet they *still* chose to vote for him.

Maybe I’m completely wrong and my sample is skewed, but my life experience as an autistic trans woman has told me that a sizable majority of people are either bigoted assholes, or people who will go along with bigoted assholes without any pushback. Case in point, a couple of months ago me and a friend were loudly confronted with slurs and threatened in a public park by a few people while out for a walk. It was broad daylight and heavily attended, and about 20 people just stood there and gawked while these assholes approached two trans women and told them they were gonna kill them. One person ran up to us afterwards when we had got away and asked if we were ok, but not a single person did or said anything during the encounter or gave them any pushback afterwards. It made us both feel like absolute shit. One could argue that they didn’t want to potentially get themselves hurt, but that just reads to me as an admission that they all chose to just defer the danger onto us instead