kokorodoko wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:45 am

Curry Pervert wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:36 pm Did you even read your own link?

It explains what the facilities are. It links to another article with more details. The fact sheet contains no "admission" at all, still less does the article, I really have no idea what you're talking about.

Curry Pervert wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:36 pmWow. Help the army....

I count 18 military-related listings and 55 non-military ones - for medical care, refugee assistance, even frickin' zoo animals. I linked it specifically because it has a wide range of choices. The Help Ukraine Center and the Red Cross that you mentioned are themselves listed here.

The things you talk about here do not refer to anything real and the only practical effect they have is to help Russia and undermine Ukraine.

Just wanted to thank you for these well-researched rebuttals, Koko, and for having the energy when I no longer do. Very much appreciated. I salute you in calling out disinformation and propaganda.

I take Reddit w/a grain of salt and a fine filter (even when it comes to bands and natural wine), but there's a "left libertarian subreddit that criticizes tankies from a socialist perspective" that also specifies to "please refrain from criticizing socialism and promoting capitalism." It has some good insight into the whole mentality, why it's so misinformed, and why arguing w/it might as well be yelling at your Q-obsessed uncle:

https://www.reddit.com/r/tankiejerk/com ... e_russian/

The book This Is Not Propaganda: Adventures in the War Against Reality, by Peter Pomerantsev, is also a great read about where a lot of these "narratives" came from in the Russian media and how they ended up being regurgitated by willing victims in the West. There's a particularly nice focus on how they target places like Mexico, Serbia, and, of course, Ukraine. Not to mention the decay of the American news media's own relationship w/hard facts and objectivity.

Nothing to do w/any of this, but the idea of the American left and right engaging in mutually assured gunplay troubles me. There are more than enough people getting shot by accident in NYC (and probably even more elsewhere) w/o having to worry about stray bullets, hotheaded impulsivity, and lax firearm-safety skills from both sides of the politically minded. (Even if one side is a bunch of cretins and the other is typically not.) The right is likely coming for you in far more policy-driven ways these days anyway, Jan. 6 notwithstanding. I understand the rationale to some extent, but it seems a bit like the proposal to arm and train teachers as the best solution to school shootings... It might save your ass but it might cause a way bigger problem. Either way, it seems like a step in the wrong direction that opens the door to all kinds of chaos.

Hex wrote: The thing about firearms is that most people I know aren’t carrying while out and about, but rather keeping them at home. I never thought I’d ever own one but my nesting partner taught me how to use and clean hers and we keep the ammo and one of the essential parts locked in separate boxes that each of us only knows the code for one of. The main thing is that if it comes to the point where our existence as we know it becomes illegal, being put in prison without access to hormones (something Trump is almost certain to ban, I feel so, so much for my sisters in prison right now) and being subject to v-coding and severe continual sexual assault/rape is a fate worse than death for us. We want to make arresting us as much of a deterrent as possible, even if we know it’s likely the end of the road for us at that point. That’s the grim reality many of us are living in right now

Fair enough. Not so different from the average sensible duck hunter in that department. Which is more than fine w/me. That's not an unreasonable justification at all.

My fear is that were this to become a trend rather than an infrequent thing, way too many people who shouldn't would end up carrying, and way too few would be as prudent as you're being about it. Right wingers, firearms enthusiasts, cops, and criminals are carless enough w/their guns as it is for my tastes.

penningtron wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:35 pm Yeah. Maybe she should have pushed harder for the interview with the bro from Fear Factor to be taken more seriously.

it worked for Bernie.
I don’t follow Joe but if she did this I’d be curious what she’d say.

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:50 pm Just wanted to thank you for these well-researched rebuttals, Koko, and for having the energy when I no longer do. Very much appreciated. I salute you in calling out disinformation and propaganda.

*peace-sign*

As for why the stuff draws in so many, I think the reasons are several and not always connected - people are drawn in from different mileus, by different logics. A key factor though is that anglophone Russia Today was able to plant itself and grow in the middle of early 2010s internet subculture, tailoring its content around what was popular with people in those circles, pulling in Ron Paul fans, Joe Rogan listeners, conspiracy buffs, psychedelics enthusiasts and others harbouring crude forms of political dissent in the West. As much as RT invented its own material it took advantage of what was already present in their audience - distrust of media and information, providing "the other side" of the story, the notion of "mainstream" or "official" narratives vs alternative ones, and the tendency to form identities around this, which was already happening in each of these folks' own bubbles. And their content was also good productions and entertaining and different from what you were used to, whether in terms of reporting or otherwise - can you imagine a news channel anywhere in the West having Joe Rogan on to talk about DMT? Or Alex Jones recounting his visit to the Bohemian Grove?

I didn't watch RT much, didn't follow news closely, but I noticed the resonance of that kind of content in my environment. Folks who weren't strongly political saying things like "Putin tells the truth about things", and as you say they're able to take advantage of the hypocrisies of their opponents too in this regard. It's able to create a kind of passive opposition, and articulate a form of everyman-dissent.

But like I said backgrounds are varied, so more important probably is the propaganda itself, how it looks and what it does. And in the case where stories like these are indeed originated in or circulated by Russian outlets, then they are quite literally just disinfo weapons. Of course it would then be maddening to try to discuss them.

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:36 pm kamala laughed more than any VP in history! it was impossible to run a more unserious campaign.

So what if they are? Not my problem.

And America said, "the education system has failed for decades, and we voted in a lying felon who was previously America's worst president." Congrats, Vladimir!

jimmy spako wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:21 pm Deutsche Welle: Germany passes controversial antisemitism resolution

We did you one better....https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010 ... odigal-son
I feel like appointing an Evangelical Christian to oversee the end times might be a conflict of interest.

With this appointment, we WILL see a nuclear weapon dropped in the middle east in our lifetime.