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Posted: **Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:54 pm**

AttackChimp wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 12:10 pm If the DNC wants to win anything, it's time to finally take on corporations on behalf of workers and retired people. It's time to say, "no more billionaires". It's time for free college. It's time for massive public works projects. The DNC has is so easy, if they just wanted to represent their constituents.

If you can't already tell I'm something of a Biden apologist (not on all issues), and I can only say "fuck yes" to this. This is the only hope for the party both in terms of electability, but also in terms of the moral high ground that it likes to rhetorically inhabit. Maybe, just maybe Musk and Zuckerberg's heel turns could be enough to realize that all the billionaire tech bros looking to 'disrupt the system' aren't at all interested in doing what the Democratic Party claims to do.

Posted: **Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:55 pm**

Anyone up North (or anyone anywhere else with more reading time than I have) have any thoughts on Trudeau's downfall and his potential replacements?

Posted: **Thu Jan 16, 2025 8:08 pm**

jfv wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:25 pm Farewell, Joe Biden.

I think history will be kinder to you than Americans were to you during your term.

Let me guess its the..

jfv wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:00 am
The only ways I can rationalize this is that the left side of the political spectrum doesn't hesitate to criticize Biden's performance whereas nearly the entire right side of the political spectrum is busy sucking Trump's dick.

The left! You guys kill me

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:24 am**

losthighway wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:55 pm Anyone up North (or anyone anywhere else with more reading time than I have) have any thoughts on Trudeau's downfall and his potential replacements?

Canadian living in America here. Trudeau has to step down because of the disastrous performance of Team Canada at the IIHF World Juniors.
Change starts at the top. Just ask local idiot Don Cherry https://x.com/CoachsCornerDC/status/1875215709015568816

and

Trudeau's leadership has been long in the tooth, he's been attacked by all parties and the LIberals haven't been able to get the carbon tax through to Joe P Canadian. He's getting the blame for a number of things that are on the provinces to handle, even though half the premieres are incompetent and unfit for office. He's been under attack by the same playbook as the american right, and probably actively by the american right. Jagmeet is blowing it as leader of the NDP.

Here's a hot take: I grew up in a union town, staunchly vote NDP yet this year will probably mail in a vote for the Liberals. Even though Mark Carney has little hope of winning, even though the party is in shambles, even though I don't love the Liberal party at all - he seems like the only serious candidate.
It's not helping his cause at all that he LOOKS like Michael Ignatieff, but I would bank on the fact that no one under 35 probably knows who that is.

There's a %99 chance Pierre Pollievre gets in, and it's a national embarrassment.

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:25 am**

TylerDeadPine wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:24 am
There's a %99 chance Pierre Pollievre gets in, and it's a national embarrassment.

My so called leftist Canadian friend that works for a rightwing theocratic dictatorship’s news channel Press TV once made the statement “Pollievre is the only politician talking about working class people”. I had no idea who Pollievre was and assumed a niche leftist in a small party.

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:55 am**

TylerDeadPine wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:24 am
losthighway wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:55 pm Anyone up North (or anyone anywhere else with more reading time than I have) have any thoughts on Trudeau's downfall and his potential replacements?
Canadian living in America here. Trudeau has to step down because of the disastrous performance of Team Canada at the IIHF World Juniors.
Change starts at the top. Just ask local idiot Don Cherry https://x.com/CoachsCornerDC/status/1875215709015568816

and

Trudeau's leadership has been long in the tooth, he's been attacked by all parties and the LIberals haven't been able to get the carbon tax through to Joe P Canadian. He's getting the blame for a number of things that are on the provinces to handle, even though half the premieres are incompetent and unfit for office. He's been under attack by the same playbook as the american right, and probably actively by the american right. Jagmeet is blowing it as leader of the NDP.

Here's a hot take: I grew up in a union town, staunchly vote NDP yet this year will probably mail in a vote for the Liberals. Even though Mark Carney has little hope of winning, even though the party is in shambles, even though I don't love the Liberal party at all - he seems like the only serious candidate.
It's not helping his cause at all that he LOOKS like Michael Ignatieff, but I would bank on the fact that no one under 35 probably knows who that is.

There's a %99 chance Pierre Pollievre gets in, and it's a national embarrassment.

This sounds like echoes of what's gone on in the US. Sorry to hear it.

It seems Mexico is the only North American nation moving in a decent direction.

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:23 am**

llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 8:08 pm The left! You guys kill me

To be fair everybody in the US know what "left" means here, which is MOR corporate shills that harvest the low hanging fruit of the culturally "liberal" agenda. Anything approximating actual left is dead/hibernating, with Bernie Sanders adding a little window dressing for appearances sake.

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:35 am**

Whatever happened to libertarianism? Did that just get subsumed into MAGA?

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:38 am**

twelvepoint wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:35 am Whatever happened to libertarianism? Did that just get subsumed into MAGA?

A friend of mine who claims to be libertarian is still engaged in local/grassroots politics. At this point I think there might be four people attending their meetings. Your conclusion seems plausible.

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:39 am**

Gramsci wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:25 am
TylerDeadPine wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:24 am
There's a %99 chance Pierre Pollievre gets in, and it's a national embarrassment.
My so called leftist Canadian friend that works for a rightwing theocratic dictatorship’s news channel Press TV once made the statement “Pollievre is the only politician talking about working class people”. I had no idea who Pollievre was and assumed a niche leftist in a small party.

Diabolical. They aren’t wrong in the same way Trump was.

Jagmeet SHOULD have been. A military officer, who’s also Sikh, as head of the NDP?? I was signed the fuck up, and then he just had no policy except attacking the Liberals. He should have been dealing with the threat of the conservatives and he let them consolidate power within what could’ve been his voter base. Well, and also now Canada hates anyone brown.

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