seriously, does music suck now?
41i think it's just that less shit seems innovating now, for obvious reasons.
seriously, does music suck now?
42MajorEverettMiller wrote:DefinitelyNOTtheSWEDE wrote:"The Barriers of Entry" have fallen in the music world now. The markets are constantly smashing into thousands of lil markets, just as soon as you figure out how to turn what ever the fuck you recorded into an MP3.
We are all chiefs, no indians.
Another thing I think of when this statement rears it's inevitable head, is that there are fewer and fewer "shared Mass Cultural" events. Eight Bajillion people sat on their fat asses and watched Elvis and then the Beatles on Ed Sullivan, and it slapped main stream America across the face. And everyone thought it was "good" (ok, not everyone...). This would not happen today, because you would be busy beating off to internet porn, your sister would be on the phone, yer lil brother is starring at X-Boxed polygons, yer Dad just can't take his eyes off of Hitler on the history channel, and yer mom is... well whatever. "Good" seemed easier for a generation to agree on, when it was only accessible through a few, select mediums.
But really, I think "good music" is in the taste and judgement of the individual... which does not exist in a fixed point. The last "new" music that I was obsessed with in real time was the mid nineties "Chicago/Post-Rock/What ezra" period. Since then, I have been less and less interested in what the next new thing is. And it's not the music that let me down, it's my ever increasing age, and tastes. The dominos started collapsing backwards when I decided to look back at the music that I missed, from before I was born, and realized that there were so many gems that I pretty much only buy the old shit now.
You can make any arguments you want, in the end it's all just a matter of opinion. Music is Music. What the fuck is "Good Music" anyway? I probably disagree with more people then I agree with.
But have you heard Hawthorne Heights? Have you?
Yeah, didn't think so...
Damn.
I've been served.
Still can't over these "Rascal Flats" though.
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43Eksvplot wrote:hmmm... to be honest i don't think t&g is such a good label anymore. seems they've had trouble adjusting to the changes in music. the same could be said of the once-mighty Warp and alot of other labels. gotta admit, i'm not intimately familiar with t&g's releases these days, but when i hear certain stuff i can't help but wonder, "what are they thinking?"
I was just making a point.
Scott is right--individual tastes are far too malleable for blanket statements such as the topic of this thread, as supported by this excellent statement by one AndrewIntern8033:
Intern8033 wrote:Music is one of the most elusively and fascinatingly subjective
"ideas," both individually and culturally.
(located somewhere on this board.)
And when your tastes change, if you can't find music somewhere that fits it, you're simply not looking hard enough.
-George
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44DefinitelyNOTtheSWEDE wrote:Another thing I think of when this statement rears it's inevitable head, is that there are fewer and fewer "shared Mass Cultural" events.
very true. and not only is there more music to be preoccupied with, there's simply more media in the world than ever before. essentially everything competes against everything else for your attention. and the pool of distractions gets larger and larger every day.
seriously, does music suck now?
45gio wrote:Eksvplot wrote:hmmm... to be honest i don't think t&g is such a good label anymore. seems they've had trouble adjusting to the changes in music. the same could be said of the once-mighty Warp and alot of other labels. gotta admit, i'm not intimately familiar with t&g's releases these days, but when i hear certain stuff i can't help but wonder, "what are they thinking?"
I was just making a point.
sure, i understand.
seriously, does music suck now?
46Eksvplot wrote:it's tough to be truly open to what's out there when you're carry so much of the past around in your head.
True. And there's more to it, too, I think... after a certain point, it's easy to have had ingrained in you a sense of "I should like this" and "I should not like this". For example, yesterday while driving, I had Q101 on (something that any Chicagoan will probably tell you you should not do since it's totally "sucked" for over 10 years now) and a song came on by Jimmy Eat World.
And I remembered it from when an ex-girlfriend of mine had picked up that cd and I heard it and liked some of it. Much of it. I understand what it is, and I understand why I am not supposed to like it. But also, I can see what about it is cool, what's well done, what the strong points are.
I think that it's a key difference... when we're younger, it's easier to get all amped about the stuff we find cool, and sometimes not even realize what about it is bogus until a year or five later. Now, being older, it's easier to just go straight to the "he just sang about antidepressants, that's lame, change channel" or "this sounds just like XYZ" or "what stupid lyrics" or whatever it is.
It's easier as an adult to just skip right past stuff without giving it a good fighting chance, and as a result, it's a different experience. Yeah, you look back at some of the shit you liked when you were 15 or 18 and cringe, and say "what was I thinking?!?!" and you don't listen to that stuff anymore. But the point is, back then, you did. And your life isn't worse off for you having listened to it. But now, you won't listen to it, you'll walk right past it, and dismiss it outright, and as a result, the world of "good" music is a lot smaller. Even though it's actually bigger than ever.
"The bastards have landed"
www.myspace.com/thechromerobes - now has a couple songs from the new album
www.myspace.com/thechromerobes - now has a couple songs from the new album
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47edit: doh! the double posty.
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"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
-Winston Churchill
-Winston Churchill
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48There only so much you can do with a 12-tone musical system.
And guess what?
It's all been done.
And guess what?
It's all been done.
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
-Winston Churchill
-Winston Churchill
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49Eksvplot wrote:I wrote:I was just making a point.
sure, i understand.
Yeah, I know. He he.
Right on about the exploded "media pool"--which can really pull the wool over one's eyes, leading to feelings of hopelessness and fears about the death of art and such... that's the postmodern age for you, I suppose. What's really important is that you find someone to talk to... someone who understands your problem...
Very well. I'm going to start a business: freelance taste consultants for-hire. Who wants in?
seriously, does music suck now?
50Hot Snakes are no more senor shrimpton!
it is sad. very sad. this is the first time in my life there is no propsect of new reis / froberg material. still, they never sucked (pitchfork, jehu, snakes) so bully to them.
when i posted this thread i thought everyone would say 'pish, here are sixty-three thousand bands' and then list them in alphabetical order (props to those who did just that!). i wasn't saying the statement was accurate. i am fully aware of how subjective music is.
it just struck me that most of my favourite bands aren't actually around any more and it's shocking to me. it was also shocking that for the first time in years i couldn't off the top of my head name one hundred great touring bands. it is sad.
it is sad. very sad. this is the first time in my life there is no propsect of new reis / froberg material. still, they never sucked (pitchfork, jehu, snakes) so bully to them.
when i posted this thread i thought everyone would say 'pish, here are sixty-three thousand bands' and then list them in alphabetical order (props to those who did just that!). i wasn't saying the statement was accurate. i am fully aware of how subjective music is.
it just struck me that most of my favourite bands aren't actually around any more and it's shocking to me. it was also shocking that for the first time in years i couldn't off the top of my head name one hundred great touring bands. it is sad.
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