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Company: Apple Computer

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 12:45 pm
by Maurice_Archive
warmowski wrote:Merely suggesting that there are better machines than Macs to use for many purposes is what gets you in the crosshairs of fundamentalists who insist otherwise. All platforms have their weaknesses and their "big lies"


That's certainly the case that every platform has its strengths and weaknesses. But I'm curious as to which purposes you think Macs are ill-suited for. After all, they are Turing machines like every other computer.

Company: Apple Computer

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 12:53 pm
by russ_Archive
You guys are never gonna believe this, but:

I just got a new powerbook!

And I love it! You guys were right. It's the coolest computer I've ever seen or used.

It's so easy to use. Not that I was ever having problems using my other computers, but this one makes all kinds of cool noises and the icons change size when I move over them and things fly around on the screen and it just looks so damn pretty and cool. I feel like a real computer user now! I can't wait until my girlfriend sees me using my powerbook, she's going to think that I'm so much cooler now. Maybe I should take it down to the cafe and show it off as well. I bet I'll get quite a few admirinig looks from all of the jealous people.

Yeah, so what, I'm only 3 GRAND in the hole, but I wanted the best! 17" super-drive powerbook baby! Just like Yao Ming uses. I love that commercial with him and that midget on the airplane using their powerbooks. I wouldn't be lying if I said that that almost sealed the deal for me right there, but what really pushed me over the edge, made it so that I just couldn't live without this thing any longer, was the wide array of peripheral devices. Especially the infamous iPod. Sure, it set me back another 500 but, I mean, this thing is like crack! I'm totally addicted. Who knew that you could actually alphabatize your music and enjoy it?

Boy, I feel like such an idiot for being such a hardheaded jerk and not listening to those great marketing campaigns and commercials. I would always think to myself, "I really identify with those people in the commercials. I mean, I like to dance to cool songs, and Jeff Goldblum is such a smart guy. I'm a lot like him, but Macs are so gae, and they're just for people who don't really know how to use computers and they just want to send eCards to each other and they drive around with flowers in their Volkswagon Beatles. I can't possibly buy a Mac." Man, was I wrong. I can't believe I was so stupid.

Let this be a lesson to you naysayers. Take it from me, I didn't believe either. But, you have to try it. Go down to CompUSA and buy a mac today! You won't have any problems with it, I promise. Everything is color coded and designed by some genius graphic designer. I even got a cool apple sticker to put on my car. If for some reason, you do have a problem, don't worry about it. Just take your computer to the store where you bought it and tell them exactly this, "I doesn't work anymore." nothing more, and they will be more than happy to help you out.

Don't forget to pick up an iPod too, cuz like I said, those things are like crack.

Take it from me, you won't regret buying a Mac.

Company: Apple Computer

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:07 pm
by danmohr_Archive
I forgot to deploy this link earlier. And it's even in QuickTime for all of you with backlit logos on your machines.

http://webdev.o1.com/rvb/movies/switch/RvB_switch.mov

Dan

Company: Apple Computer

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:13 pm
by Rueben_Archive
Not crap. All my PC using friends are always complaining about spam, well I use a Mac and I NEVER get spam, maybe one or two a week.

Company: Apple Computer

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:15 pm
by russ_Archive
Nice one Dan.

Here's another one:

http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=55

enjoy.
russ

PS: on the same site, you can find this: http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54

Yeah, I can take it too.

Company: Apple Computer

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:17 pm
by Maurice_Archive
You know, after reading Russ's sarcasm-drenched post up above, I finally get where he's coming from: the Apple ad campaigns with their ethos of style, fashionability, and, presumably, other icky, yuppiesque stuff, along with the graphic, UI, and industrial design applied to the machines and the OS, all render the Macintosh inherently unusable as a computing platform.

Well, shit. Guess I'm throwing them out now. Thank you, Russ, for your insight into this matter.

Company: Apple Computer

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:22 pm
by russ_Archive
Speaking of toasters:

http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=53

ENJOY
russ

Company: Apple Computer

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 3:19 pm
by toomanyhelicopters_Archive
matthew taylor said:
Case in point, the Pentagon removed all of their Windows NT servers and replaced them with Mac servers.


was that a joke or a hypothetical that you were throwing out? i'd be willing to bet anything that the above statement cannot possibly be true, for so many reasons, starting with the word "all". but if this is intended to be a statement of historical fact, can you please put up a link that shows any support for it? i honestly spent the past half hour trying to find anything that supports this statement, and the closest i could find (and i was looking on the DoD website, so maybe that was my mistake) was a page that talked about all kinds of software they use, much of which is not PC or Mac based, much of which is PC based, and there was *one* mention of Mac, and that was along the lines of "Microsoft Excel (PC or Macintosh version)"... so...

source?

Company: Apple Computer

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 4:00 pm
by Matthew Taylor_Archive
toomanyhelicopters wrote:matthew taylor said:
Case in point, the Pentagon removed all of their Windows NT servers and replaced them with Mac servers.


was that a joke or a hypothetical that you were throwing out? i'd be willing to bet anything that the above statement cannot possibly be true, for so many reasons, starting with the word "all". but if this is intended to be a statement of historical fact, can you please put up a link that shows any support for it? i honestly spent the past half hour trying to find anything that supports this statement, and the closest i could find (and i was looking on the DoD website, so maybe that was my mistake) was a page that talked about all kinds of software they use, much of which is not PC or Mac based, much of which is PC based, and there was *one* mention of Mac, and that was along the lines of "Microsoft Excel (PC or Macintosh version)"... so...

source?


The army uses a mix of unix, NT and Mac servers internally, because of all the security issues/hackers they replaced all of their externally pointed nt servers with webstar servers running the mac os back in 1999:

http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nets ... 00030.html

Company: Apple Computer

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 4:04 pm
by russ_Archive
You know, honestly, I was thinking about this whole thing while in the shower, trying to cleanse myself of my sarcastic, evil ways, and I realized something:

I really think that my problem with Apple comes from their price.

I don't think I would have a big problem with them if they didn't cost so much. Maybe people like Andrew could agree with me on this point if he hadn't worked for an Apple retailer and got his machines at a discount.

I'll face it, their UI in OSX is nice. It looks good, it's responsive, and it's fairly intuitive. Their programs work well, work together, and have nice features. Their hardware looks nice (though sometimes a bit pretentious), appears to be built fairly solid, and works well.

In fact, if the price was right, I would probably want to own one of their computers. And I'm certain that if OSX were available for the x86, I would at least give it a shot without thinking about it. I'd probably even enjoy it and praise it.

But I just hate the attitude, the lifestyle, the pretentious and condecending manner in which Apple products and their followers exude. Call it yuppie, call it trendy, call it hip, right-now, or "the fastest, most powerful, personal comput..."-ing experience "...ever". I think it's bullshit.

I guess if I were rich enough to not care, and the price weren't a factor, I wouldn't feel so strongly about it. I would possibly spend my money on quite a few extravagant things. Nice champagne, fancy sunglasses, a plasma TV, and a sports car. So, I can see that if price is not a factor, why one would have no problem with Apple and their products, and one might even tout their superiority. Just like Trumpy brags about his private jet.

But if that's not the case, and you live a much more "modest" lifestyle, then price is always a factor. That's what I like about Linux:

Linux is the moral highground.

Although that's probably not the reason I use linux. Linux, with it's many free distributions, and it's ability to run on a pleathora of hardware platforms has the ability to be used as a solution for almost every computer problem.

Chicago has a group of people ( http://www.npotechs.org/ ) who collect used computer hardware, get toghether once a month, install linux on those computers and then distributes them to non-profit companies in need of computers. How much does this cost? Practically nothing. But think of the rewards. They are potentially priceless.

Here's a few more examples of Linux being used in schools throughout the world: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5618

Because of Linux's liberal liscencing policy, the return on investment (ROI), compared to any of the other non-GPL'ed OS's, in a situation like the one above and many others, is enormous.

I know that Bill G. and Apple donate computers to schools as well, but I'm talking about folks like you and me who are able, through the use of Linux, to help their communities even though these people might not be independently wealthy.

In order to keep this from sounding just like I'm talking about charity cases, let me give you another example. At the studio, I was able to set up and run our own firewall, router, webserver, email server, file server, DNS server, print server, and so far, 2 work stations, all for little or no cost by recycling older computers and installing Linux. Tell me how much all of that would have cost if we would have had to pay for copies of Win2k Advance Server or buy new Apple XServers. Sure, maybe I could have gotten it up and running faster, or some of the setup would have been easier, and maybe things would run a bit smoother than they do, or whatever. But, it would have cost a lot more. Not to suck my own dick, but I WAS ABLE TO SAVE OUR COMPANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS by being able to do this.

And please don't think that I have some sort of computer science degree or something that makes it so I can run linux, but you probably won't be able to. I taught myself everything I know about linux. How can you argue about the benefits of a machine and a platform that costs at least a thousand dollars to get started with against something that was free to obtain and allowed me to teach myself the skills I needed in order to save my company a good percentage of my yearly salary?

Apple might have the upper hand in user-friendliness right now, but it won't be long before the differences in user-friendliness between all of the platforms will be slim or none and what it is going to come down to will be cost and return on your investment. And it's easy to see that Apple is already a loser in both categories.

Thanks for reading this far,
russ