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That drum break after the pause in Marquee Moon. Off the Marquee Moon album by Television.

sleepkid wrote:Even though their is no legally established threshold for unlawful appropriation or what constitutes "fair use", the lawsuits which arose from the sampling activities of Biz Markie, Beastie Boys, and others, caused a lot of producers to reduce the sample in each song to a single "hook"

Yeah, fucking Gilbert O'Sullivan's got a lot more to answer for than just shit music.

The awkward little opening riff to "Blank Generation"

I just thought...

maybe some cowbell jams would work, like Mississipi Queen or Funk 49. Not Don't Fear the Reaper though.

Tommy Alpha wrote:
Yeah, fucking Gilbert O'Sullivan's got a lot more to answer for than just shit music.

...for not killing Rick Davies before he formed Supertramp?

Since 99.9% of hip hop artists aren't going to sample any of the indie rock hooks that I go for, this is worth checking out.

sleepkid wrote:
However, artists growing up and producing music now, didn't grow up listening to that, they've grown up listening to that music recycled in other music, and so they probably only hear just the hook, and don't necessarily know other songs from that artists repertoire. Consequently, the field of music from which they are sampling is becoming narrower and narrower.

totally agreed, and yes its lamentable. the worst thing these days is the practice of sampling from mp3's, given the sound quality of the files and the limited scope of artists who are downloadable.

i, however, still dig through crates of real vinyl, got my turntable hooked up through a preamp to my ensoniq sampler. most of them i got on ebay, people selling "lots" of 30 or so records each, usually genre-specific for each seller so i covered genres of soul/r&b, reggae, classical, blues, and rock (got no funk though, and very little "world music"). got some artists who ive never heard of and often i find some of the best samples on those records.

the coolest record i found for drum sounds: "the soul of jazz percussion"... its got max roach and a whole bunch of other drum virtuosos.

Camaro wrote:Since 99.9% of hip hop artists aren't going to sample any of the indie rock hooks that I go for, this is worth checking out.

hmmmm very interesting. i especially enjoyed the e-40 vs jens lekman one... though ive never heard this jens lekman dude

"spirit ditties of no tone" by deerhoof, an armada of silly which I'm not sure would fit into a rap song, but I could listen to that loop for 5 minutes straight, sure!

BClark wrote:its funny though, lots of people miss the use of amen, funky drummer, impeach the president, etc, unless its in drum and bass or jungle or breakbeat or whatever (arent those all the same genres, just at different tempos?), in which case its obvious.... i use impeach the president all the time and when i play the beats for people, none of the knowledgeable djs/beatmakers/etc end up noticing it unless i tell them, at which point they say "whoa, how did i miss that"

ha - i've used all of these at one point or another (as has anybody who has ever looked at a sequencer) - the trick is to bury them behind two or three other breaks rather than having them right up front and obvious...

sleepkid wrote:It's because very few of them have heard the actual track, and instead get just the break down from some breaks and beats compilations or they pick it up off of someone else who has already sampled it.

i was just talking with an acquaintance of mine regarding the amen break -- neither of us could think of a case where any part of the song other than the drum break has been sampled. i think i may need to remedy that.