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41 by instant_zen_Archive
Gramsci wrote:
instant_zen wrote:it's alright, i forgive you (even if i feel like a pompous ass for saying so). and for the record, i'm not averse to your beliefs.


Very kind of you. However, an absence of belief is not a belief... I also have absence in a belief of Zeus. But I'm sure you do too.

[winky atheist smartass face]


Penn Gillette once said "It's not that I don't believe in God. I believe that there is no God."

i agree with this. i think if you're an atheist, you have an active belief in a lack of God (this is, of course, discounting the many late-teenaged folks who claim to be "atheist" to upset their parents, then end up being "reborn" in some "evangelical" church. fuckers).

steve wrote:Easy. When somoene says he's a christian, he's a christian. That covers a lot of territory, but I'm not interested in parsing-out every individual sub-group. If you say you're a christian, I believe you. Does it necessarily follow that you were home schooled, that you are are against gay marriage, against abortion, that you don't believe in evolution, that you think the bible is literally the word of god now and forever true, that you believe I and all my heathen friends will suffer an eternal damnation, that you believe there was a great flood that innundated the earth, that you have crappy taste in books and music? Not necessarily, but please feel free to check all those that apply.


i agree with this also. most difficult-to-define words have a number of traits that are attributed to it (that make up its "essential form," as it were), but don't necessarily manifest themselves in any given incarnation of that idea.

as far as the traits you list, steve: i like your band, for starters. take that for what it's worth :wink:
if i got lasik surgery on one eye, i could wear a monacle.

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42 by Vivid_Archive
Back onto the subject of the thread...

Although Chevelle has Christian beliefs, they are not a Christian band. The youngest, Joe, (who isnt in the band anymore), is a non drinker non everything else. Pete and Sam get shit faced all the time. I dont think hard core Christians believe in getting drunk.

Their first album is very influenced by Tool and Hum.

Either way, they are a great band.

Band : Chevelle

44 by endofanera_Archive
Vivid wrote:Although Chevelle has Christian beliefs, they are not a Christian band. The youngest, Joe, (who isnt in the band anymore), is a non drinker non everything else. Pete and Sam get shit faced all the time. I dont think hard core Christians believe in getting drunk.

I dont think drinking or not and Christianity have anything to do with one another.

I dont drink. At all. I am also no kind of Christian. At all.

I have also known many self-professed Christians who enjoyed a nice drink or seventeen. One might even say they "partied hard."

The two things have nothing to do with each other.
"You get a kink in your neck looking up at people or down at people. But when you look straight across, there's no kinks."
--Mike Watt

Band : Chevelle

45 by Vivid_Archive
endofanera wrote:
Vivid wrote:Although Chevelle has Christian beliefs, they are not a Christian band. The youngest, Joe, (who isnt in the band anymore), is a non drinker non everything else. Pete and Sam get shit faced all the time. I dont think hard core Christians believe in getting drunk.

I dont think drinking or not and Christianity have anything to do with one another.

I dont drink. At all. I am also no kind of Christian. At all.

I have also known many self-professed Christians who enjoyed a nice drink or seventeen. One might even say they "partied hard."

The two things have nothing to do with each other.


I got into this discussion with a Christian guy a few weeks ago. He told me that in the bible it says you are not supposed to drink to get drunk. Drinking is fine, drunk is a sin.

I have no idea where that would be so I can't show proof. :oops:

Band : Chevelle

46 by endofanera_Archive
Vivid wrote:I got into this discussion with a Christian guy a few weeks ago. He told me that in the bible it says you are not supposed to drink to get drunk. Drinking is fine, drunk is a sin.

I have no idea where that would be so I can't show proof. :oops:

I have no doubt that he said this. That's one of the beautiful things about Christianity -- its basic text is so self-contradictory that you can find the basis for laying down all sorta judgments in it. And sometimes even Christians just make stuff up.

So who knows? These Christians I know may have been sinning as hard as they partied. The only things I know for sure are: 1) they liked to drink a bit and 2) they were Christian.

The rest? I guess it's just the mystery of God's Will.
"You get a kink in your neck looking up at people or down at people. But when you look straight across, there's no kinks."
--Mike Watt

Band : Chevelle

47 by Gramsci_Archive
I never understood the whole not drinking if you are Christian thing. A part of the myth of Christ is his turning water into wine at a party. This hardly seems to be a strong statement against drinking... wouldn't he have turned all the wine a party into water.

If the people that invented the Christ myth wanted Christians not to drink, not drinking would have been a better example, no?
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48 by Gramsci_Archive
endofanera wrote:Christianity -- its basic text is so self-contradictory that you can find the basis for laying down all sorta judgments in it. And sometimes even Christians just make stuff up.


Very true. It says "kill you kids for being naughty." and "if your friend comes over to dinner, you should let him fuck your wife", but I am not sure I know of many Christians this side of Wacko that practice that...
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49 by instant_zen_Archive
here are a few more to kick around. basically, i opened up to random pages and found these. no kidding.

Moses wrote:Take care that you do not offer your burnt offerings at any place you happen to see. But only at the place that the Lord will choose in one of your tribes--there you shall offer your burnt offerings and there you shall do everything I command you.


...sort of like McDonald's

Moses also wrote:You shall not eat anything that dies of itself; you may give it to aliens residing in your towns for them to eat, or you may sell it to a foreigner.


yes, i'm aware of what they mean by "aliens." but don't tell me you didn't laugh when you first read it.

Moses also wrote:No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to teh assembly of the Lord.


...don't look at me. he said it.

Moses (they think) also wrote:None of you shall approach anyone near of kin to uncover nakedness: I am the Lord. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's wife; it is the nakedness of your father. you shall not uncover the nakedness of your sister, your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether born at home or born abroad. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your son's daughter or of your daughter's daughter, for their nakedness is your own nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's wife's daughter, begotten by your father, since she is your sister. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's sister; she is your father's flesh. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister, for she is your mother's flesh. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's brother, that is, you shall not approach his wife; she is your aunt. You shall not unocver the nakedness of your daughter-in-law: she is your son's wife; you shall not uncover her nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother's wife; it is your brother's nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, and you shall not marry her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter to uncover her nakedness; they are your flesh; it is depravity.


dammit, Alabama, how the hell'd you guys miss that one?

Luke wrote:There will be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars, and on the earth distress among nations confused by the roaring of the sea and the waves. People will faint from fear and foreboding of what is coming upon the world, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.


...God really should have considered letting the kid get laid while he was still in the flesh. think of how much trouble we could've avoided.

and i haven't even touched that goofy plot-twisting Revelations ending yet. just thought you guys might appreciate these.
if i got lasik surgery on one eye, i could wear a monacle.

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50 by Gramsci_Archive
Bring it on! I love all that stuff. I went to a Church of England school, divinity classes, and church 4 days a week, communion, the whole hog. But they never teach you the really wacky stuff. Christians seem to have a very selective faith, picking out the nice bits that fit in with a modern world and ignoring the, frankly evil shit that much of the Bible spouts. This is why I think, sorry if this sounds harsh, that moderates are deserters to both their faith and reason. It would seem to me that the at least the freaky fundamentalists have the courage of their convictions.

Anyhoo, this isn't a person dig are you. But I'm interested in your thoughts as to why a person can cherry-pick the pleasant bits of the Bible, ignore the crazy stuff and still call themselves a Christian. Surely all of the violent, sexist, homophobia is just as valid as the compassionate and moral philosophy? And if you only follow the "pleasant bits", then you're not really a Christian with a capital "C", but someone that simply agrees with some of the philosophy of the Bible. I can't reconcile how a Christian can ignore huge sections of their holy book, simply when modern society finds it offensive or that science disproves it in such a way as to be unambiguous.
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