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Rick Reuben wrote:don't the media and lobbyists belong in the category of people we blame for the failures of the system?


I didn't catch this part first time 'round. Yes, of course the Media and Lobbyists are part of the problem - Lobbyists being #1 on my list. I would like the see 100% publicly-funded elections...no private contributions at all. McCain-Feinold has shown itself to be a complete failure.

Who gets credit? The Framers.

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Rick Reuben wrote:Name that entity, if it is not your fellow citizens.


Damn, take it easy, bro. You don't have to paint everyone as your enemy.

I don't give any "entity" credit, I don't have to. Our system of hiring and firing elected officials, as laid out in the Constitution, can work when it's lobbyist-free. If that does not answer your question about my views and what I was saying, I guess you are SOL. You can find someone else fight with.

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I don't know which is harder to have faith in.

There are people in the system who believe that the Vice President's office is not part of the executive branch.

There are people who are my fellow citizens that think a large number of our government officials are half-reptillian Jew creatures from outer space who worship concrete owls in the nude on weekends.

These are only single examples from a vast field of stupidity that populates our system and our citizenry.

Of course the system would work much better if we could just get rid of stupid and greedy people. If anyone has the formula to do that, I'd sure like to know about it.

Sigh...
Can we have a neither option?

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Rick Reuben wrote:They know they can't make a veto-proof majority to block war funding or troop deployments, so it's all for show.

Just to take another step back from the trees here...remember that Bush cannot sign a bill unless Congress first gives it to him? The veto power vis'a'vis war funding just a red herring. A simple majority is sufficient to not deliver up a war-funding bill, period, end of war. How could Bush veto nothing? :evil: Didn't happen. The Democrats are funding the war and letting Bush make their excuses for them. It's an elegant dance of political convenience.

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The reason uprisings, large scale boycotts, strikes and marches won't work is because of one thing.

Comfort.

While the mass of people are just comfortable enough I very much doubt you could ever create the wave needed to wash away the problem.

I can't think of a single example of a society successfully revolting while the populace at large were comfortable (I'm all ears if someone has such an example).

You won't get a change till you go to your supermarket and find no bread on the shelves.
And by then it may well be too late.

You have a government that stole two elections that has taken your nation into two wars killing thousands of American and hundreds of thousands of johnny foreignors, that has provided tax breaks for the massively wealthy, impoverished your future economy and whose incompetence - at the very least - was responsible for the worst terrorist attack on American soil in history.

And still the population at large are content enough.
They've got their gas and their TV - sweet dreams.

Ho hum. I wish I wasn't this cynical.

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Earwicker wrote:Comfort.


I've thought about this a lot too. I think a lot of Americans are just comfortable enough, but not overly comfortable. It's not like we have the disposable income to be abel to just throw everything off and start doing something, and it's not like we're at the nothing left to lose point either. We're in the middle, kept complacent in the middle ground between outright need and desire. And I think it's part of the system, or current system, the way the rules have been rigged against change. Look how quickly countercultural movements are coopted and spit back out, before they have a chance to really start making some headway in their development. I'm sure the credit nature of our society must have something to do with it too. I can't really do anything, I've got to pay off thousands of dollars I owe and can't afford to lose my job. I can't afford to lose my job either, because the next place I work at will see that black mark on my record. Oh yeah, and I can't afford to get arrested for civil disobedience, because my next job will do a criminal background check on me and then fuck me up the ass by not hiring me.

Wow, that's a bit rambling. Sorry, but I think it aadresses the comfort issue.

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Blackwater in the NYT.

And it looks like they (along with some other security firms) will be joining the War on Drugs.

And here's Naomi Wolf's Daily Kos entrythat I got those links from. She provides some nice analysis on why we should be very afraid of Blackwater in the US, and also a nice illustration of why I'm still in the middle on gun control.

Naomi Wolf wrote:Does this affect the strength of our democracy? Look at how history shows thug groups have been directed at intimidating voters. Americans need to be reminded that both Italy before Mussolini and Germany before Hitler were working, if fragile, parliamentary democracies. Thugs were used in both countries to intimidate voters exercising their rights. Mussolini’s fascists stood menacingly near voting booths to make sure citizens ‘voted responsibly’; William Shirer wrote that the Austrians voted 99% in favor of their country’s annexation by Germany -- not surprising, he observed, since intimidating groups of brownshirts looked through a wide slit in the voting booth where the election committee did its work. The oddly specific scene of groups of identically dressed young men -- later identified as Republican staffers -- crowding and shouting at the vote counters in Florida in 2000 has strong historical precedents.

The Founders knew from their own experience of standing armies, responsive only to a tyrant, how dangerous such a situation was; King George’s men -- armed with blanket warrants -- invaded the colonists’ homes, trashed their possessions, and even raped Colonial women. It was that bitter experience that led them to insist on the second amendment -- ‘a well regulated militia’ that was responsive to the people and could not be deployed against the people of the United States by would-be despots. The founders knew that American tyranny was not only possible, it was likely, in the event of weakened checks and balances; and they knew a mercenary army was the advance guard of despots.


Two more paragraphs from her article:

(According to `the blueprint' described in my book, unless people wake up in time, we in America are likely to see a call for a `security requirement' for Blackwater to be deployed to `protect' Congress and to be deployed around voting areas `to maintain public order', and, unless we intervene, we will see them start to do crowd control when there are antiwar marches or other demonstrations. Then, again according to historical models, protesters will increasingly start to get hurt for `resisting arrest' or for `provocations.')

Because, to my sorrow, I know `the blueprint', I was sad but not at all surprised when a horrified friend who works in downtown New York City told me that armed private contractors -- who look like members of the NYPD but who are not answerable to any government entity -- have been placed around the U.S. stock exchange. I went down to check it out. Indeed, Wall Street and the entire periphery of the Stock Exchange was like a militarized zone in the hands of what was not evident to onlookers as being in fact a private army: there were barricades; three immense trucks parked to deter and investigate pedestrians; armed dog handlers with their big dogs on tightly held leashes -- all of this looks like government security but it isn't. The company, which according to the guards was hired by the stock exchange itself, is neutrally called `T & M.' (This appears to be this company.)

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