Frankly, Rick is a pretty weak guitarist too. Whereas Reis is....Genius?

I don't know where to start with this statement, but let me start by saying I disagree with both points assuming the queerstion mark at the end of Reis "genius" isn't really asking. Soooo anyway, at the risk of completely taking this tread to a new level.........

Froberg is a complete badass. I've seen the guy live several times, and better than half the show I was watching him instead of Reis on all the Hawtsnakes tours. I am in no way saying he's better than Speedo, I'm just saying they guy singing and playing guitar gets a little more attention from me I guess. There is really nothing I would call "genius" about Reis post Drive Like Jehu and Pitchfork most def. I would actually use the term "progressive" and perhaps "badass" but not "genius" for the Jehu/ Pitchfork stuff honestly, and it's some of my favorite stuff all time. In my opinion, I put Reis on a level with the likes of Tonie Joy and Brian Baker. All were "progessive" pioneers with their instrument, but all had their limitations. I guess it all depends on the arbitrary term "genius" and what we really mean here. Do I see any of these guys as the Mozart of guitar? Not really.. Sadley enough, I would say Yngwie is more "genius" then any of the formentioned guys I respect 8x more than Yngwie. *bracing for impact*

Sock of Smushed Muffins wrote:Sadley enough, I would say Yngwie is more "genius" then any of the formentioned guys I respect 8x more than Yngwie. *bracing for impact*

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Sock of Smushed Muffins wrote:Froberg is a complete badass. I've seen the guy live several times, and better than half the show I was watching him instead of Reis on all the Hawtsnakes tours. I am in no way saying he's better than Speedo, I'm just saying they guy singing and playing guitar gets a little more attention from me I guess.

Interesting. I read somewhere once that Froberg had an absolutely rudimentary grasp of guitar during DLJ. Reis showed him how to play certain parts parrot-fashion and he would practice by rote over and over until he could play the songs from memory, without actually understanding any of the parts or the musical theory behind it. Given how revered DLJ are, it's pretty amusing to consider the fact that 50% of Jehu's guitar team was a rank amateur.

I gather Froberg was beyond this by the time they started Hot Snakes but it's still interesting.

Froberg has no flash, but he is a solid rythem guitarist, and yes I would say he came of age at some point before the HS tours. I also am bias because I prefer Frobergs voice to Reis, so I've always been more partial to Froberg/Reis projects than I was to just Reis.

Returning to the topic of the Night Marchers, one of the things I didn't like about them was a certain song I can't name that is a direct ripoff of some pretty popular radio play song. Anyone know what I'm talking about? I was sitting in the crowd blown away that they would rip off some Stone Temple Pilots (probably not them but just making an example) esque song. I was tempted to find Reis after the show and bring this to his attention at the risk of sounding like a total dick, but decided against it. As you can tell I wasn't impressed enough to buy their CD.

Sock of Smushed Muffins wrote:Froberg has no flash, but he is a solid rythem guitarist, and yes I would say he came of age at some point before the HS tours. I also am bias because I prefer Frobergs voice to Reis, so I've always been more partial to Froberg/Reis projects than I was to just Reis.

Preferring a voice is one thing. Most would probably prefer Froberg's voice. And he is a competent player for what he does, namely play small simple parts that he can vocally wail over.

Reis is meanwhile holding down the backbone of the song, often completely shredding his guitar, and rarely, if ever, missing a beat.

However, we are all entitled to our own opinions. That's what makes the world go round.

BUMP.

Obits are playing a couple shows in the PNW in a few weeks. I'm stoked.

July 10 Portland, OR at Doug Fir Lounge with Retribution Gospel Choir & The Valiant Arms
July 11 Seattle, WA at The Funhouse with The Lights & Android Hero

tallchris wrote:BUMP.

Obits are playing a couple shows in the PNW in a few weeks. I'm stoked.

July 10 Portland, OR at Doug Fir Lounge with Retribution Gospel Choir & The Valiant Arms
July 11 Seattle, WA at The Funhouse with The Lights & Android Hero

I plan to attend in Portland. I've been wanting to see RGC also, so bonus.

At the risk of stepping on toes, I'd say any guitar based Rick vs. John discussion totally misses the point. It's like a Replacements with two Pauls/two Bobs or an AC/DC with two Malcoms/two Angus. What would the point of that be? However, each of these combinations =

Good video!

It's nice to see the other guitarist can break out the slacks and take some down time from computer programming.

Yeah, I think that's great- slacks and pastel polo shirts- who'da thunk it!