matthewbarnhart wrote:Internet flame war! Whee!!!!!!!!
angry planet wrote:Haha... I would never ever defend Ann Coulter. She is truly a lunatic. But do enjoy how the right dismissively rolls its eyes at their raving lunatic liar, and the left embraces theirs (Michael Moore).
Hmmm... Rush Limbaugh loves Ann Coulter... In fact, I've never heard more partisan cronyism than when I listen to Rush. That blank look in GW's eyes is not him rolling his eyes -- it comes from years of cocaine abuse cutting off circulation to parts of his brain, rendering him semi-retarded (which is all it takes for a Bush to get into Yale).
I used to think Moore was a liar and a polemical. But the more I've seen Moore, the more I realize that this is the same stuff you learn in college poli sci. The funny thing is that they teach this in college, not to be critical of the system, but to provide the knowledge that future career politicians will need to succeed. When I learned this stuff in college, it was not with disdain for the system, but a neutral sort of "this is how it works", and "so you want to be a lobbyist? It is a good career... This is how it works".
In college, I took a class from an ex-CIA guy who was an advisor to a cabinet official. He wasn't an operative, but a geek that provided analysis, etc. Anyway, he said that all of those conspiracy theories you hear about the CIA are true, and there's much worse... He wasn't joking. He had no sense of humor.
But you do any digging, you can find all sorts of evidence and you realize the "conspiracies" are not even that covered up. The liberal media is owned by the corporations. They have no interest in reporting on things that interest no one. If they reported on the secret war against Cuba, most people would think it's a good idea anyway.
Especially in light of the recent scandals in DC, I think you have to be a real yankee-doodle-dumbass to not believe these "left wing liars". They're telling the truth, but it's a truth no one wants to accept. After all, I have my condo, car and six figure salary. Why would I want to change anything?!?
The funny thing about interest groups and lobbying, is that they are inherently un-democratic. Large member groups such as the Sierra Club, are not effective. Even the NRA are not that effective. The most effective groups are the small, organized, and well funded interest groups that are interested in one or two issues, not a panoply of legislation like environmentalists... The Isreali foreign lobby is the most effective, and countless interest groups have copied their structure and tactics. In a nation with quite a bit of anti-semitism, they manage to get billions of dollars in foreign aid to Israel. If we put it to a vote, people would not vote to give billions of dollars to Israel. It's not up to us, though. In high school civics, you learn about how we vote for our representatives. In college, you learn that they don't represent you, but their loyalties are to the people who fund them... After all, all you did was cast a vote. You never gave them any money. With money, you can afford to lie to people, and they will vote for you -- for the most part, they really are that dumb.
I don't know if Moore is associated with Noam Chomsky, but both are featured on a documentary called "The Corporation". This is very good, and very true, and underscores how capitalism has changed in a destruktiw way that will polarize society. The rich will get even richer, and ship all of the jobs off to wherever they can pay people the least and ruin their environment. They have to do this to be accountable to the shareholders.
Moore may have some inaccuracies, and I'll take Chomsky over Moore any day. But I've done a 180 on my opinion of Moore. His disdain for Democrats is right on the money.