Look at the film. She crawls out onto the back of the car, she reaches over and grabs meat and immediately recoils back to the President where she slaps the meat into his head and attempts to close the flapping skull.

It's all a little like Derek in Bad Taste.

That's what happened. Use your eyes.

Oh, and per usual, Rick Reuben has used a quote out of context. That's a shock to ALL of you, I'm sure.

















He's clearly been living for centuries. He's a vampire.

Rick Reuben wrote:Thinking that doctors ( or she ) could reassemble a head is pretty bizarre, Ubercat.

There's a book on how to survive a shooting? I mean, there's a manual on everything right? Should Jackie have taken her top off so Magruder could get a better shot?

Re-read my posts. I never claimed that Jackie was thinking anything. I'm telling you what she did. I can't speak to her motivation, but I can say that her motivation was almost 100% adrenal response. Don't fucking look at it frame by frame you jerk. Look at the film from beginning to end. Take it in. Get stoned and have a glass of wine. Relax. Put yourself in Jackie's position.

You wouldn't know what to do either.

I was shot at once, and I ducked. Silly huh. That was my crazy response to the sudden realization that I was being shot at. I ducked.

People do crazy shit in that first burst of understanding and adrenaline.

Rick Reuben wrote:

ubercat wrote: Don't fucking look at it frame by frame you jerk. Look at the film from beginning to end. Take it in. Get stoned and have a glass of wine. Relax. Put yourself in Jackie's position.

Can I use your head for JFK's?

Kill 'em, Tom!

Heeby Jeeby wrote: ...guy in school who lost his left testicle in a fight ...

Jesus H. Christ!

She wasn't thinking. She was acting. No thoughts. Just action.

Like ducking a bullet.

I'm only talking about Jackie. I'm not talking about anything else. She grabbed brain and put it back in JFK's giant head.

Fred Crisman and Harold Dahl were two people involved in a well-known 1947 UFO case known as the Maury Island Incident. Kenneth Arnold, who helped coin the term "flying saucer", investigated the Maury Island case not long after his own famous sighting near Mt. Rainier.

In 1966 Harold Dahl introduced Fred Crisman to a man named Thomas Beckham, a musician from New Orleans who performed under the name Mark Evans. Beckham was associated with David Ferrie and Guy Bannister, two people famous for also having involvement with Lee Harvey Oswald. Beckham was involved in anti-Castro groups in New Orleans.

According to Crisman's testimony to the Garrison Committee in 1968, Beckham/Evans released an album called Material Witness in which he mentions Crisman in relation to the Kennedy Assassination, but in a joke/novelty song context.

Does anyone on the PRF know anything about the LP "Material Witness" by Mark Evans, or ever come across a song called "Material Witness" by Mark Evans, from the same album? If so, would they be willing to upload it?

A pdf file of Thomas Beckham's testimony before the Garrison Committee can be downloaded here:

www.aarclibrary.org/publib/ jfk/garr/grandjury/pdf/Beckham.pdf

Fred Crisman and Harold Dahl were two people involved in a well-known 1947 UFO case known as the Maury Island Incident. Kenneth Arnold, who helped coin the term "flying saucer", investigated the Maury Island case not long after his own famous sighting near Mt. Rainier.

In 1966 Harold Dahl introduced Fred Crisman to a man named Thomas Beckham, a musician from New Orleans who performed under the name Mark Evans. Beckham was associated with David Ferrie and Guy Bannister, two people famous for also having involvement with Lee Harvey Oswald. Beckham was involved in anti-Castro groups in New Orleans.

According to Crisman's testimony to the Garrison Committee in 1968, Beckham/Evans released an album called Material Witness in which he mentions Crisman in relation to the Kennedy Assassination, but in a joke/novelty song context.

Does anyone on the PRF know anything about the LP "Material Witness" by Mark Evans, or ever come across a song called "Material Witness" by Mark Evans, from the same album? If so, would they be willing to upload it?

A pdf file of Thomas Beckham's testimony before the Garrison Committee can be downloaded here:

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/ jfk/garr/grandjury/pdf/Beckham.pdf

Rick Reuben wrote:

ubercat wrote:There's a book on how to survive a shooting?

There's a book on Secret Service procedures. You and Sparky and Tommydski and anyone else who gobbled up that shitty Peter Jenning's spin job are all still not explaining why so many protection protocols were broken that day.

There is of course that video in which a Secret Service agent is ordered by a superior to back off JFK's limo as he attempts to jog beside it a little earlier that morning. The jogging agent gets visibly pissed and throws his hands up in a very "what-the-fuck" gesture.

I disagree though that his wife's reaction was anything other than a weirdly instinctual desire to "keep the pieces from flying off."

Rick Reuben wrote:

ubercat wrote: She grabbed brain and put it back in JFK's giant head.

You mean the brain that ejected backwards and towards the driver's side of the limo's trunk? ( A direction for the brain that makes no sense, even if you support the crazy notion that the killshot was an entry wound fired from a building window that was above and to the rear/right of the car? )

You do know, ubercat, that this is the fourth time you have refused to state where you think the killshot came from.

I don't support any theory. However, it seems obvious that bullet trajectory dictates where the shot came from. If the brain ended up on the trunk hood, then the bullet trajectory came through the front of the car to the back of the car. Large amounts of damage indicates that the bullet was traveling at a slowed speed, or it was a large caliber bullet. If the caliber was large, that would indicate someone fired at close range (10 feet at most). A sniper could do that kind of damage with a small caliber.

Rick Reuben wrote:

ubercat wrote: Large amounts of damage indicates that the bullet was traveling at a slowed speed, or it was a large caliber bullet.

If you believe the stories that the two snipers came in from Marseilles, the sniper behind the fence was a known user of exploding rounds.

I assume you mean this guy. Not much info on him, but I suppose that's usually the case when you're a hired assassin for a French crime syndicate.