thanksgiving, holiday of meaning

very nice time for my family and i to enjoys eachothers company
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besides the food and football, i couln't give a shit
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native american holocaust day
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When I first moved to Chicago I lived in Canaryville, with this fucked up right wing Bush supporting Fillipino as a roomate. He'd lived in America over twenty years but his English still sounded as if he'd just crawled off of a raft. Every time he opened his mouth it just made my blood boil.

But, on my first Thanksgiving in Chi-town, I remember hearing another roommate bitch about something and hearing Dindo (yes, that was his name) chastise him by saying, "No Complaining! No Complaining! What is today? Thanksgiving! What's the opposite of Thanksgiving? Complaining!"


mmmmgrrrmmmble....
You call me a hater like that's a bad thing

Ekkssvvppllott wrote:MayorofRockNRoll is apparently the poor man's thinking man.

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hench wrote:when i was young, i lived downstate. my dad worked for the state of illinois in various roles, one of which was as part of the historic preservation agency. about 20 miles out of my hometown is a weird log cabin-y place called new salem - i'd imagine that many of the illinois people on this board took field trips there. for the rest of you, this is a reproduction of a town on the site of an actual town that abraham lincoln lived in. lots of oxen, wooden buildings, etc.
in november, there's not a damn soul out there. so we'd go out there for thanksgiving. it was great - eating turkey and pie in a log cabin, stone hearths with fires in them, walking around an abandoned fake village on a gray gloomy day. a totally wonderful way to spend the holiday.

thanksgiving these days = me staying at home and working on audiovisual projects while tmbgitw hangs out with her family. doesn't match up to hanging out at new salem, that's for sure...


Damn, I bet that's the place from the Camper Van Beethoven song "Lincoln Shrine!"

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Sebastian J. wrote:I can't believe you yanks "celebrate" the massacre of native americans. Sickos
What do you expect?
The month we take to honor the people that we enslaved is not only the shortest month of the year, but also the month in which we celebrate "the traditional day on which lovers express their love for each other."
I hate to think of how many wedding proposals were given at slave hangings on that day 200 years ago.
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On thanksgiving I'm celebrating a day off and an excuse to chow down on a dead turkey with a side of potatoes . I could give two shits about celebrating the history behind it, and I'm not going to give up one of my only non-ramen or pb&j meals of the year because white settlers were murderous pasty cuntbags.
although i liked it better as a kid when they ran a marathon of mystery science theater every year...

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iembalm wrote:Damn, I bet that's the place from the Camper Van Beethoven song "Lincoln Shrine!"


ha! i'd never heard this song before... this would have been the theme song for all of us goofballs that grew up down in springfield back in the late 80s early 90s.

i think they're actually singing about his home (also a national historic landmark thing, also in springfield... back in the day, many of downtown springfield's transvestite prostitutes used its backyard as a changing area/hosting location...)
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Christopher J. McGarvey wrote:
Sebastian J. wrote:I can't believe you yanks "celebrate" the massacre of native americans. Sickos
read this


The majority of Native-Americans are sitting down to a
turkey today. I don't see why I shouldn't.

Thanksgiving: A Native American View
by Jacqueline Keeler



I celebrate the holiday of Thanksgiving.

This may surprise those people who wonder what Native Americans think of this official U.S. celebration of the survival of early arrivals in a European invasion that culminated in the death of 10 to 30 million native people.

Thanksgiving to me has never been about Pilgrims. When I was six, my mother, a woman of the Dineh nation, told my sister and me not to sing "Land of the Pilgrim's pride" in "America the Beautiful." Our people, she said, had been here much longer and taken much better care of the land. We were to sing "Land of the Indian's pride" instead.

I was proud to sing the new lyrics in school, but I sang softly. It was enough for me to know the difference. At six, I felt I had learned something very important. As a child of a Native American family, you are part of a very select group of survivors, and I learned that my family possessed some "inside" knowledge of what really happened when those poor, tired masses came to our homes.

When the Pilgrims came to Plymouth Rock, they were poor and hungry -- half of them died within a few months from disease and hunger. When Squanto, a Wampanoag man, found them, they were in a pitiful state. He spoke English, having traveled to Europe, and took pity on them. Their English crops had failed. The native people fed them through the winter and taught them how to grow their food.

These were not merely "friendly Indians." They had already experienced European slave traders raiding their villages for a hundred years or so, and they were wary -- but it was their way to give freely to those who had nothing. Among many of our peoples, showing that you can give without holding back is the way to earn respect. Among the Dakota, my father's people, they say, when asked to give, "Are we not Dakota and alive?" It was believed that by giving there would be enough for all -- the exact opposite of the system we live in now, which is based on selling, not giving.

To the Pilgrims, and most English and European peoples, the Wampanoags were heathens, and of the Devil. They saw Squanto not as an equal but as an instrument of their God to help his chosen people, themselves.

Since that initial sharing, Native American food has spread around the world. Nearly 70 percent of all crops grown today were originally cultivated by Native American peoples. I sometimes wonder what they ate in Europe before they met us. Spaghetti without tomatoes? Meat and potatoes without potatoes? And at the "first Thanksgiving" the Wampanoags provided most of the food -- and signed a treaty granting Pilgrims the right to the land at Plymouth, the real reason for the first Thanksgiving.

What did the Europeans give in return? Within 20 years European disease and treachery had decimated the Wampanoags. Most diseases then came from animals that Europeans had domesticated. Cowpox from cows led to smallpox, one of the great killers of our people, spread through gifts of blankets used by infected Europeans. Some estimate that diseases accounted for a death toll reaching 90 percent in some Native American communities. By 1623, Mather the elder, a Pilgrim leader, was giving thanks to his God for destroying the heathen savages to make way "for a better growth," meaning his people.

In stories told by the Dakota people, an evil person always keeps his or her heart in a secret place separate from the body. The hero must find that secret place and destroy the heart in order to stop the evil.

I see, in the "First Thanksgiving" story, a hidden Pilgrim heart. The story of that heart is the real tale than needs to be told. What did it hold? Bigotry, hatred, greed, self-righteousness? We have seen the evil that it caused in the 350 years since. Genocide, environmental devastation, poverty, world wars, racism.

Where is the hero who will destroy that heart of evil? I believe it must be each of us. Indeed, when I give thanks this Thursday and I cook my native food, I will be thinking of this hidden heart and how my ancestors survived the evil it caused.

Because if we can survive, with our ability to share and to give intact, then the evil and the good will that met that Thanksgiving day in the land of the Wampanoag will have come full circle.

And the healing can begin.

Jacqueline Keeler, a member of the Dineh Nation and the Yankton Dakota Sioux works with the American Indian Child Resource Center in Oakland, California. Her work has appeared in Winds of Change, an American Indian journal.
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Aside from being commercially exploited to kick off the Christmas sales season, Thanksgiving has also been widely misused to propagate the glorification of the early American settlers and spread other nationalistic lies, making it one of my least favorite holidays. The food side of it does precious little to compensate for this in my eyes, as there are few things I find less appetizing than the traditional Thanksgiving dinner.

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