'home taping is killing music'...anyone that doesnt remember that bullshit major label campaign needs to read up on it before they start telling us about the 'ethics' of filesharing.

i keep forgetting to post here

hey steve.

nice work on NPR this morning!

badhat wrote:and for another thing... music existed and thrived fine for thousands of years as a folk art, without the benefit of "intellectual property" protection.

music wasn't owned, it was shared, and mutated and evolved. in the space of half a century this concept has been largely legislated out of existence in modern society.

Legal authorization which worked for sheet music was found in 17th or 18th century, I don't remember, don't kill me for it. Up till then all folklore music was based on copying, not mutating of few original music ideas with differentiation in text, so it doesn't apply to music either. The same pattern of developing a musical idea is still living in Croatia, a small country with confusing copyright laws and plenty unoriginal authors which make living on copying someone's music, and then applying their specific lyrics to it. They still make big money out of it, and no copyright can stop them because it is not well specified. Well renowned croatian major label Croatia records was subject to pay The Ramones part of their earnings from distribution of records made by croatian rock band (which made their career and living on copying Ramones' music and applying idiotic texts to them, I won't quote them) after they opened the show for them. This is only a vivid example of what's going on if the copyright laws aren't set properly. I'm not discussing here whether it is ethic to distribute music free or not, it is choice of the author, I'm trying to point that the paradygm of free music open to anyone's exploitation is not serving the music itself after all. Neither I am telling that the free ditribution of music will reverse the evolutionary process of music back to its folklore roots, I'm just trying to point that you are idealizing the situation. Such folklore music was at that time quite ethically correct, but was it correct aesthetically?

well as my first post i am sure i will sound like an ass lick with this statement but fuck it....
i agree with most of what steve said....

johnny 13.....
i used to like napster alot for the very fact that i could find and old 10inch of the parliments where the was only 500 copies made well over 30 years ago and will most likely ever be reissuied.

things have really changed since then so i no longer bother looking for the cuts one could only read about

like it or not the "pop" music file sharing is here to stay and i really don't give a rats ass cuz that ain't my thing.

oh yeah the rezillos kicked some heads....at least one or two nights

peace

liquifuzz wrote:well as my first post i am sure i will sound like an ass lick with this statement but fuck it....
i agree with most of what steve said....

johnny 13.....
i used to like napster alot for the very fact that i could find and old 10inch of the parliments where the was only 500 copies made well over 30 years ago and will most likely ever be reissuied.

things have really changed since then so i no longer bother looking for the cuts one could only read about

like it or not the "pop" music file sharing is here to stay and i really don't give a rats ass cuz that ain't my thing.

oh yeah the rezillos kicked some heads....at least one or two nights

peace

Soulseek is good for finding really rare stuff and vinyl in mp3 format, and I don't think it's even noticed by the RIAA as of yet. I would strongly recommend it; unfortunately I myself no longer use it, I don't think the lawsuits are worth the risk.

hello this file sharing thing i jusy got laods of big black songs i never heard i thought i had them all but i got some new ones one called rema rema
or somin and one about an australian

steve should i give u some money see cos i paid for all the other records you made but these ones i aint paid for now i dont think youll mind
an my point is this

people who copy songs they probly woulndt have bawt any cds anyway
now they will hear the music
perhaps they will by the cds now
if they dont well they porbly wouldnt have bawt them any ways
so never mind hello by

yeah also moslt people who download stuff just like korn and justin timberlkae anyway so what does it mater

thankyou very much by

Well, the thing is, I download music in addition to buying CDs, and I appreciate the opportunites that Soulseek gave me to listen to stuff I would never be able to hear otherwise (live bootlegs, rare tracks, out of print albums).

However, I know several people who download ALL of their music and don't buy ANY. These people give file-sharers like me a bad name.

ive always seen p2p as a method of spreading the word

i know that it does happen, but in reality, people downloading whole alnums worth of material is a rarity. for a start, the quality of each track usually varies as it has been ripped and encoded by different people on different systems. then the hassle of burning it all onto a cd (in the right order), by the time all this is done u could have ordered the cd from amazon

where p2p comes into its own, is when u are having a drunken conversation down the local watering hole and some gonzo says 'have u heard the latest xyz album it fkin rocks' so u reply 'whats a good song to get into them with' and he says 'abc123 its the best song ive ever heard'

so next afternoon when u wake up u stick winMX on and download it. upon promptly falling in love with the track u then place an order on amazon.com and buy the album

that to me looks more like free promotion than theft - and certainly, lots of the music i have bought, i originally heard from a p2p service

whats really strange is that me and the bassist in my band recorded this concept album a few years ago, was a process of self-discovery for us more than anything, and i think somewhere around 8 copies are in existance. ive had several people download this off my machine! im not sure they got what they expected, but who knows, they might have liked it heh

Statick wrote:whats really strange is that me and the bassist in my band recorded this concept album a few years ago, was a process of self-discovery for us more than anything, and i think somewhere around 8 copies are in existance. ive had several people download this off my machine! im not sure they got what they expected, but who knows, they might have liked it heh

Is it any good?