M.H wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 4:27 pm I suppose when I'm talking about the ultimate kind of heavy that these 3 bands represent very well, I'm refering to music that is:

. Based in the rock paradigm but not easily categorisable in a sub-genre (i.e.: if you can pigeon hole it easily it then it's not quite up to the standard required here).

. Taking the intensity of the most intense punk / hardcore into musical realms well beyond those genres' limitations but keeping the nihilism / despair factor cranked to full (like, the unrelenting doom vibe on those early Discharge records or the explosive anger on the early Black Flag stuff).

Earth go there on the debut but get way more arty and abstract thereafter, the Melvins went there on Gluey Porch Treatments and Lysol but their humour (however cynical it was) is an instant disqualifier.

I guess (for my money) the sludge bands on Pessimiser records (like Grief, Noothgrush, Dystopia or 16) come close but are a little too close to extreme punk / metal territory and lack the "arty" angle to take them into the big leagues- I guess the spectacularly depraved and perverse aesthetic that EyeHateGod mined just about push them into the conversation w/ the original three bands, but I think they aren't quite THAT great.

Vibracobra wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:32 am Craw anyone?

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:43 am Most of Zeni Geva's discography would qualify, I think.