Re: Holy Trinity of Heaviness-dome: Swans vs Neurosis vs Godflesh
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 4:33 pm
by ChudFusk
M.H wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 4:27 pm
I suppose when I'm talking about the ultimate kind of heavy that these 3 bands represent very well, I'm refering to music that is:
. Based in the rock paradigm but not easily categorisable in a sub-genre (i.e.: if you can pigeon hole it easily it then it's not quite up to the standard required here).
. Taking the intensity of the most intense punk / hardcore into musical realms well beyond those genres' limitations but keeping the nihilism / despair factor cranked to full (like, the unrelenting doom vibe on those early Discharge records or the explosive anger on the early Black Flag stuff).
Earth go there on the debut but get way more arty and abstract thereafter, the Melvins went there on Gluey Porch Treatments and Lysol but their humour (however cynical it was) is an instant disqualifier.
I guess (for my money) the sludge bands on Pessimiser records (like Grief, Noothgrush, Dystopia or 16) come close but are a little too close to extreme punk / metal territory and lack the "arty" angle to take them into the big leagues- I guess the spectacularly depraved and perverse aesthetic that EyeHateGod mined just about push them into the conversation w/ the original three bands, but I think they aren't quite THAT great.
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Mortician is disqualified for various reasons, but if I could nominate an individual song it would be this Celtic Frost cover:
Re: Holy Trinity of Heaviness-dome: Swans vs Neurosis vs Godflesh
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:00 pm
by M.H
Celtic Frost get very close to the territory I'm talking about on Monotheist (but not on any of their earlier stuff).
Re: Holy Trinity of Heaviness-dome: Swans vs Neurosis vs Godflesh
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:15 pm
by brephophagist
for a 4th in this 'dome I'd pick Burning Witch before Sunn.
And, Neurosis.
Re: Holy Trinity of Heaviness-dome: Swans vs Neurosis vs Godflesh
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:07 am
by A_Man_Who_Tries
Having read all these alternates, I reckon Corrupted is the right shout after all.
Re: Holy Trinity of Heaviness-dome: Swans vs Neurosis vs Godflesh
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:32 am
by Vibracobra
Craw anyone?
Re: Holy Trinity of Heaviness-dome: Swans vs Neurosis vs Godflesh
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:36 am
by A_Man_Who_Tries
Vibracobra wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:32 am
Craw anyone?
That's not a bad shout. Comes up short on the overall quality for my money, but it's well worth adding to the discussion.
Re: Holy Trinity of Heaviness-dome: Swans vs Neurosis vs Godflesh
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:02 am
by Vibracobra
I love all Craw, even the last album, which is too "normal" for their standards... but holy cow, how can come up with a debut like that in 1993? They take from here and there, but the whole thing sounds so insular and unique...
A bit scary, very twisted and pretty much "humorless".
Slayer wouldn't be a bad call... xcept for the total lack of "artiness".
Re: Holy Trinity of Heaviness-dome: Swans vs Neurosis vs Godflesh
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:43 am
by OrthodoxEaster
Most of Zeni Geva's discography would qualify, I think. Of course, the early material is also hugely indebted to Swans.
Re: Holy Trinity of Heaviness-dome: Swans vs Neurosis vs Godflesh
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:47 am
by A_Man_Who_Tries
OrthodoxEaster wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:43 am
Most of Zeni Geva's discography would qualify, I think.
Yeah, that's a fine shout.
Re: Holy Trinity of Heaviness-dome: Swans vs Neurosis vs Godflesh
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:13 am
by M.H
Craw is a good shout, though (IMO) Dazzling Killmen did that kind of thing way better - they had blood boiling psychopath vibe that gave them an edge over the more aggro bands on Skin Graft or AmRep or Trance Syndicate.
Zeni Geva - yes.
Slayer - 100% no, they're a metal band (an unusually intense metal band, but it's not heavy in the way we're talking about here).
Today is the Day's first 4 records do this heavy very well, but when they threw in a dollop of extreme metal in the mix from In the Eyes of God they diluted their end product quite a bit.