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Cranius wrote:
Andrew. wrote:That's how he tells it anyway. Gotta love a former Cold Warriorwho defects to the Chomsky camp.


Thanks, fascinating article.


Worth mentioning that his actual analysis not withstanding, Johnson apparently likes Obama's image-effects enough to endorse him.

Johnson fears there isn’t much that can be done. If people truly believe they can change the course of an imperial state by choosing a new president, “they are seriously deluded,” he says. Johnson has stated in the past that even the Democratic presidential nominees are too much in the thrall of the idea of an imperial presidency. However, in the end Johnson did come out in support of Barack Obama, in part because of the positive image Obama projects to the rest of the world.


http://www.ieweekly.com/cms/story/detai ... eets/1048/

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Minotaur029 wrote:Rick Reuben,

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I think I speak for 95% of the board here.

Good luck moving out of your parents' basement, too.



dude, run for board spokesman first.

for my money, i'd rather see some semicritical thinking about the coming selection, than the endless "the most recent polls show that i read a fuckton of polls" & kneejerk adulation.

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jimmy spako wrote:
Minotaur029 wrote:Rick Reuben,

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I think I speak for 95% of the board here.

Good luck moving out of your parents' basement, too.



dude, run for board spokesman first.

for my money, i'd rather see some semicritical thinking about the coming selection, than the endless "the most recent polls show that i read a fuckton of polls" & kneejerk adulation.


You get what you pay for.

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Question for progressive Obama supporters. Does he truly believe these words, or is it a form of "bipartisan" pandering? More generally, how do you feel about this statement? I honestly would like to hear people's thoughts. My sense is that he believes what he says, and he believes in American (military) hegemony, with all that entails.

Obama in the Democratic debate in Philadelphia yesterday:

I think that having the advice and counsel of all former presidents is important. I'm probably more likely to ask advice of the current president's father than president himself because I think that when you look back at George H.W. Bush's foreign policy, it was a wise foreign policy.

And how we executed the Gulf War, how we managed the transition out of the Cold War, I think, is an example of how we can get bipartisan agreement. I don't think the Democrats have a monopoly on good ideas. I think that there are a lot of thoughtful Republicans out there.


The problem is, we've been locked in a divided politics for so long that we've stopped listening to each other. And I think that this president in particular has fed those divisions. That's something that we've tried to end in this campaign, and I think we're being successful.

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LutherBlissett wrote:Question for progressive Obama supporters. Does he truly believe these words, or is it a form of "bipartisan" pandering? More generally, how do you feel about this statement? I honestly would like to hear people's thoughts. My sense is that he believes what he says, and he believes in American (military) hegemony, with all that entails.

Obama in the Democratic debate in Philadelphia yesterday:

I think that having the advice and counsel of all former presidents is important. I'm probably more likely to ask advice of the current president's father than president himself because I think that when you look back at George H.W. Bush's foreign policy, it was a wise foreign policy.

And how we executed the Gulf War, how we managed the transition out of the Cold War, I think, is an example of how we can get bipartisan agreement. I don't think the Democrats have a monopoly on good ideas. I think that there are a lot of thoughtful Republicans out there.


The problem is, we've been locked in a divided politics for so long that we've stopped listening to each other. And I think that this president in particular has fed those divisions. That's something that we've tried to end in this campaign, and I think we're being successful.


Obama represents business as usual, as I said.

His political worldview is totally status quo, totally establishment. He's not going to rock any boats.

He thinks that the Cold War and the Gulf War were things to be admired, for Christ's sake. He thinks that George Bush's foreign policy was "wise".

This is not someone who represents any change whatsoever. He's a centrist to his core.
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LutherBlissett wrote:Question for progressive Obama supporters. Does he truly believe these words, or is it a form of "bipartisan" pandering? More generally, how do you feel about this statement? I honestly would like to hear people's thoughts. My sense is that he believes what he says, and he believes in American (military) hegemony, with all that entails.

Obama in the Democratic debate in Philadelphia yesterday:

I think that having the advice and counsel of all former presidents is important. I'm probably more likely to ask advice of the current president's father than president himself because I think that when you look back at George H.W. Bush's foreign policy, it was a wise foreign policy.

And how we executed the Gulf War, how we managed the transition out of the Cold War, I think, is an example of how we can get bipartisan agreement. I don't think the Democrats have a monopoly on good ideas. I think that there are a lot of thoughtful Republicans out there.


The problem is, we've been locked in a divided politics for so long that we've stopped listening to each other. And I think that this president in particular has fed those divisions. That's something that we've tried to end in this campaign, and I think we're being successful.



Considering that the first gulf war was widely considered a success up until about the time that the second one started, I don't see what you object to about this statement. What's wrong with him saying that he thought the president did an effective job managing the transition from the cold war. All things considered, I think he did this also. Are we hating old Bush simply because we hate young Bush?
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