No shit, right? The fucking nutz on some of these assholes...Krev wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:36 am Someone is arguing that the Christian right establishment isn't full of crooks and pedos? When did Joel Osteen join the board?
I agree. I would add personally - I am skeptical of any peace plan that was negotiated without all partners present. We can see this in the Abraham Accords and the current peace talks with regard to Ukraine.losthighway wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:34 pm I'll be cautious and say that anti-zionists are not all in the same camp. A skepticism towards the mandate of 'holy land' and allowing it to displace people is purely rational to me.
"The enemy of my enemy" is Heathers-level thinking, and all it does is hasten the move to Gunboat Diplomacy.losthighway wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:34 pm But the logical fallacies persist there with some folks. It's very facile for people to see how detrimental U.S. involvement in Israeli interests have been for basic human rights, and then use that undeniable truth to justify all kinds of tangential things. Like Gramsci said about that "Enemy of my enemy" kind of fallacy.
Trump is a Gunboat Diplomat. I think people are looking for nuanced perspectives because the US was spraying their soft-power in everyone's hair for the last seventy years. That shit is pretty much over now, but the muscle memory is still there.losthighway wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:34 pm Funny, when the news was all Trump shredding domestic programs we passed the baton around, preacher/choir, "Fuck that!". That's not to talk down on it, I need it. We all need to process the ticking disasters. But, suddenly his foreign policy comes up and we're all fine tuning more nuanced perspectives. I suppose it's because there are more players involved.
I'll suggest that Japan is probably rethinking not having a standing Navy. America is no longer a partner that can be trusted to hold a treaty or alliance for the full term of the agreement.losthighway wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:34 pm Speaking of more players:
Erdogan has been looking to throw his hat in the ring. U.S. media hasn't been too interested in this yet, but it shows a possible rearrangement of the chairs. Turkey cherishes its NATO status and has long sought EU membership. The potential void left by Trump may be an opportunity for him. It would be interesting to see if the EU and Turkey could piece together a shield against Putin and make the U.S. irrelevant. My inner isolationist would say, "more power to them!". Maybe too many games of Risk has installed some kind of neocon in me who wants to say, "You see here Donald, now you've reduced U.S. influence and we're less of a player on the global stage. By being short sighted about expenses and sucking up to despots you've really harmed our interests abroad!". As to what metamorphosis of the regional powers and potential for chaos, violence, vs stability of that equation I have neither the brains nor the education to say.
I am using this to point out something that's unrelated to the content of your post, so please don't take this as a criticism.
Hey man hey!AttackChimp wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:32 amAww. Did I hurt your fee-fees? Maybe you can tell me where I'm wrong.pb183max wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:24 am
Modern Christians are some of the biggest liars and crooks in human history. Their primary concern right now is legalizing a child workforce and making it so they can assault children sexually under the pretense that they're of breeding age at 15. They wanna marry children. They've been taught to hoard money, and hate their neighbors for how they might potentially vote. They literally care for nobody but themselves.
The naked offensiveness of this comment is de-fanged by its utter stupidity.
I'm fucking tired of Ala-Carte Christians. Motherfuckers causing black folks to lose their votes. I have receipts, but I'll wait for you to mount a feeble defense first.
Where do you wanna start?
Poland's (and I guess ex-soviet block) perception of Putin was always different than that of Western Europe - not sure about the very beginning of his presidency, but in my mind he has always been seen as a dictator who calls the fall of Soviet Union "the greatest tragedy of XX centaury" and someone who wants it back and only cares about international law and treaties signed by Russia[/urk in the extent he is forced too, and doesn't care about inner law at all (much like Trump), Russia was never seen as anything resembling a democratic country.zorg wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:34 pmApologies Jimmy, I swear it was unintentional, unless I'm just an unwitting part of the misinformation campaigns. I will correct.jimmy spako wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:41 pm You've quoted me falsely.
That was coming from FM emmanuelle cunt, who lives in Poland, probably in the East from what I remember.
Maybe you should listen to him.
And listen to people from the former republics of the former USSR. And take a look at their history.
As for Poland, that is a good example....I'm honestly all ears as to emmanuelle's perception of Russian aggression against Poland.
So to me there is no hysteria here at all, I would actually say chances another country being invaded within 10 years from when war in Ukraine is stopped or at least vastly reduced in scale after Russian army is rebuild and re-equipped are higher than lower. That was the course Russia is on and unfortunately US being on path towards isolationist and being led by president who seems to be in Putin's team (or simply is controlled by Putin because of the piss tape) isn't going to help.zorg wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:53 am
This is more what I hear from everybody. And I get it that Ukraine got the shaft here, and they have an absolute right to complain....but why is there this absolute hysteria about a Russian invasion in Europe?
Alright, thanks for the context. As an unaligned peacenik, I would respectfully disagree and argue that everything you have said is redolent of the very well tread Western strain of propaganda, similarly tinged with xenophobia, reductive reasoning, and half-truths (for example comparing Putin to Stalin, a guy who killed MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. In his dreams could Putin hope to scale those lofty heights). The simple facts are that the Russian Federation since its inception has taken part in about the same amount of aggressions as NATO as a whole, but significantly less than NATO members individually. So I agree that the tendency is for powerful countries to be horrible, untrustworthy and violent, but I don't see the Russians being an outlier here, and maintain that that chance of a Russian invasion of EU territories is at 0%. I agree with you that the cost/benefit analysis here for them does not pan out. They're a lot better off making real money with the MAGA bros. So I would say hate the Ruskies all you want, but leading Europe into a arms race is self-defeating, ugly and dumb, and ultimately destined to fail.emmanuelle cunt wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:36 pmPoland's (and I guess ex-soviet block) perception of Putin was always different than that of Western Europe - not sure about the very beginning of his presidency, but in my mind he has always been seen as a dictator who calls the fall of Soviet Union "the greatest tragedy of XX centaury" and someone who wants it back and only cares about international law and treaties signed by Russia[/urk in the extent he is forced too, and doesn't care about inner law at all (much like Trump), Russia was never seen as anything resembling a democratic country.zorg wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:34 pmApologies Jimmy, I swear it was unintentional, unless I'm just an unwitting part of the misinformation campaigns. I will correct.jimmy spako wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:41 pm You've quoted me falsely.
That was coming from FM emmanuelle cunt, who lives in Poland, probably in the East from what I remember.
Maybe you should listen to him.
And listen to people from the former republics of the former USSR. And take a look at their history.
As for Poland, that is a good example....I'm honestly all ears as to emmanuelle's perception of Russian aggression against Poland.
Soviet media (controlled by kremlin) have been full of propaganda for decades now - the message is that west is degenerated and should be seen as the enemy, and every country from the former soviet block is a silly child who doesn't understand that surrounding it's independence to Russia is the best thing that could happen - straight out of Stalin's book. The concerns he is going to attack one of the neighboring countries were particularly loud here when Trump was first elected, I though myself Russia might try to attack one of the Baltic countries (Estonia) just to check whether NATO is not just on paper, and main reason for this not happening was just how expensive for Russia it might be. So there was no shock here when Ukraine was attacked 3 years ago - that's what country which wants it's empire status back does, and it wasn't even a new chapter for Russia - part of Ukraine was taken in 2012 even though Russia has guaranteed it will respect Ukraine's border and Independence in 1994 and in 2008 Russia attacked Georgia.
So to me there is no hysteria here at all, I would actually say chances another country being invaded within 10 years from when war in Ukraine is stopped or at least vastly reduced in scale after Russian army is rebuild and re-equipped are higher than lower. That was the course Russia is on and unfortunately US being on path towards isolationist and being led by president who seems to be in Putin's team (or simply is controlled by Putin because of the piss tape) isn't going to help.zorg wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:53 am
This is more what I hear from everybody. And I get it that Ukraine got the shaft here, and they have an absolute right to complain....but why is there this absolute hysteria about a Russian invasion in Europe?
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