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Frankie99 wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 11:25 am The foe list is your friend. There are some super misinformed and disingenuous people out there with whom an argument does nothing but give your doc a reason to prescribe BP meds.

It only takes one or two on your foe list to make this a much more rational and functional discussion.

It's funny that FM AttackChimp 3 pages ago was like "there's no way leftists believe any of that right!?" and then here we are.

Or maybe it's not a leftist position at all. Seems closer to Ron Paul or Tulsi Gabbard in some ways.

penningtron wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 11:55 am

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 11:25 am The foe list is your friend. There are some super misinformed and disingenuous people out there with whom an argument does nothing but give your doc a reason to prescribe BP meds.

It only takes one or two on your foe list to make this a much more rational and functional discussion.

It's funny that FM AttackChimp 3 pages ago was like "there's no way leftists believe any of that right!?" and then here we are.

Or maybe it's not a leftist position at all. Seems closer to Ron Paul or Tulsi Gabbard in some ways.

There is definitely a strain of leftism stuck in the battles of the 1960s and 1970s when nationalist leftist like the IRA and PLO were all the vogue. There's scene in the film Munich - I know - that has the characters all in a safe house with the IRA, PLO etc... it was a Hollywood, attempt to show some equivalence.

From my experience with these people it's My Enemy's Enemy stuff, anti-Imperialism, forgetting that it isn't only the US and its proxies that "do imperialism". But we are not in the world of the Cold War and we're not dealing with giant ideological power blocks anymore. I'm not sure Trump and Putin believe in anything other than power. For all the flaws of the US and USSR, at the heart there was a battle of ideas. I actually find this drift into vibes and power more worrying than the Cold War.

penningtron wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 11:55 am

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 11:25 am The foe list is your friend. There are some super misinformed and disingenuous people out there with whom an argument does nothing but give your doc a reason to prescribe BP meds.

It only takes one or two on your foe list to make this a much more rational and functional discussion.

It's funny that FM AttackChimp 3 pages ago was like "there's no way leftists believe any of that right!?" and then here we are.

Or maybe it's not a leftist position at all. Seems closer to Ron Paul or Tulsi Gabbard in some ways.

First thing - the foe list. I have two people on it and this thread is way more enjoyable.


Ukraine: I don't understand it. I guess I can only say that lies are OP. I know that's a glib response, but I got nothing else. Anyone can say shit like NATO started the war, and they can claim it from whichever political side they like. I am a leftist/progressive that believes Russia invaded Ukraine in an unjust and illegal war - am I lying? Seems obvious that I'm not. I'm having a real problem sorting motivations on this topic.

penningtron wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 11:55 am

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 11:25 am The foe list is your friend. There are some super misinformed and disingenuous people out there with whom an argument does nothing but give your doc a reason to prescribe BP meds.

It only takes one or two on your foe list to make this a much more rational and functional discussion.

It's funny that FM AttackChimp 3 pages ago was like "there's no way leftists believe any of that right!?" and then here we are.

Or maybe it's not a leftist position at all. Seems closer to Ron Paul or Tulsi Gabbard in some ways.

I mean, there's the illusion of leftist goals at the end of the road they're advocating we take, but that road is not the road any human should ask other humans to travel to get to the other side.

IOW I think it's a foolish and juvenile leftist who wants to further current violence in the name of a "better" outcome. AKA accelerationism.

It's sounding more like Trump partly blamed Ukraine because Zelenskyy was "rude" to him. He shut down his security-for-minerals quid pro quo talk. That's how petty Trump is...

AttackChimp wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:31 pm I guess I can only say that lies are OP.

I'm wracking my brains, what is this acronym?

Krev wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:51 pm It's sounding more like Trump partly blamed Ukraine because Zelenskyy was "rude" to him. He shut down his security-for-minerals quid pro quo talk. That's how petty Trump is...

He didn't partially blame them. ...and yes, that's exactly how it went.

zorg wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:53 pm

AttackChimp wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:31 pm I guess I can only say that lies are OP.

I'm wracking my brains, what is this acronym?

Over Powered.

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:48 pm

penningtron wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 11:55 am

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 11:25 am The foe list is your friend. There are some super misinformed and disingenuous people out there with whom an argument does nothing but give your doc a reason to prescribe BP meds.

It only takes one or two on your foe list to make this a much more rational and functional discussion.

It's funny that FM AttackChimp 3 pages ago was like "there's no way leftists believe any of that right!?" and then here we are.

Or maybe it's not a leftist position at all. Seems closer to Ron Paul or Tulsi Gabbard in some ways.

I mean, there's the illusion of leftist goals at the end of the road they're advocating we take, but that road is not the road any human should ask other humans to travel to get to the other side.

IOW I think it's a foolish and juvenile leftist who wants to further current violence in the name of a "better" outcome. AKA accelerationism.

i have been saying the same thing and got accused of policing others' speech on here.

AttackChimp wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:55 pm

Krev wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:51 pm It's sounding more like Trump partly blamed Ukraine because Zelenskyy was "rude" to him. He shut down his security-for-minerals quid pro quo talk. That's how petty Trump is...

He didn't partially blame them. ...and yes, that's exactly how it went.

zorg wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:53 pm

AttackChimp wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:31 pm I guess I can only say that lies are OP.

I'm wracking my brains, what is this acronym?

Over Powered.

Damn, I thought it was On Point...

No, he entirely blamed Ukraine. But I don't it was solely his desire to please Putin.