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Evolution Or Intelligent Design

God said to Abraham...
Total votes: 5 (4%)
It's evolution, baby!
Total votes: 106 (83%)
Two sides of the same coin
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Total votes: 127

DEBATE: Evolution VS Intelligent Design

451 by eva03_Archive
matthew wrote:And once again this thread is jacked...


You opened up the door... You can't honstly expect to try and use miracles as evidence to back up your claims about Intelligent design or the existence of god. You never put forth any evidence to back up your claims you just tell people they're wrong and that they need to go research. So I challenge you to go do research that doesn't involve weeping statues.
p.s. The Shroud of Turin!? Seriously?! Where to start
The fact that no one knows what jesus looked like so there's no way to verify if it's him. The fact that the face looks very european and jesus was born in the middle east. The fact that it's a very very bad forgery that for some reason people still take seriously.
Rimbaud III wrote:
I won't lie to you, I don't want to be invisible so that I can expose the illuminati, I just want to see Natalie Portman DJing at her downstairs disco.

DEBATE: Evolution VS Intelligent Design

452 by Gramsci_Archive
matthew wrote:You are wrong. I cannot be more direct than that.


Actually I'm right. Using one of the most dishonest and frankly evil organisations in human history as a source of truth is totally nuts.

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Guys, so funny. Now those of you that are new around here can see the depths of Matty delusion.

I like the part where he cites the Catholic Church as source of reliable information... good grief Matty wake up.

Please don't have children.
Reality

Popular Mechanics Report of 9-11

NIST Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster

DEBATE: Evolution VS Intelligent Design

453 by emmanuelle cunt_Archive
matthew wrote:
Gramsci wrote:Ok, Matty. I've said this before, but I'll say it again just to clarify.

In the entire history of human knowledge a supernatural belief has never, ever, not once, even a little, trumped the physical universe as science understands it.


You are wrong. I cannot be more direct than that. Go do some dispassionate research on miracles which have been declared valid by the Catholic Church. Go view the tunic of Juan Diego in Mexico City. Go to Lourdes. Go and see the Shroud of Turin. Go and see an incorrupt body of a saint. Tell me how scientific procedure has explained these. Moreover these are not mere beliefs- these are real concrete things that one can see with one's eyes, Horatio.


And once again this thread is jacked...


what about miracles well documented by other religions?
and besides that: why do you think "science can't explain that" is a any indication that higher creature exists? can't you see this exactly the same kind of reasoning as thinking that thunder's are created when the lord of skies is angry?

DEBATE: Evolution VS Intelligent Design

455 by galanter_Archive
Gramsci wrote:In the entire history of human knowledge a supernatural belief has never, ever, not once, even a little, trumped the physical universe as science understands it.

That's never Matty and Mr G, and never is a long time.


You too. What the hell are you talking about? The only time I've addressed this realm was to say that saying "I don't know whether God exists" is a much more defensible position to take than "I know with certainty that God doesn't exist".

(Also the above syntax is strained. I assume you mean "trumped a scientific understanding of the universe".)

DEBATE: Evolution VS Intelligent Design

457 by NerblyBear_Archive
galanter wrote:
What the hell are you talking about?






But to not recognize that Christianity, especially as worked out by the philosophers of the Catholic Church over the past 20 centuries, is an internally consistent system of remarkable clarity and rationality is to be either intellectually dishonest or sadly uninformed.


Anyway...it may not be your cup of tea, but I see as much hubris in those who easily dismiss religion without trying to understand it *on its own terms* as I do in those who dismiss science they don't understand.

There is a more modest and effective way to deal with Intelligent Design than to declare a full scale war on religion and the religious.


differing disciplines with differing methodologies result in world
views which are incommensurable. There is no meta-method, and there
can be no meta-method, that can with unqualified generality choose a
victor in conflicts between science and philosophy, or science and religion,
and so on.


Insulting religious people by insisting that they are
primitive and irrational is not only rude, it doesn't reflect well on the
speaker's education.

DEBATE: Evolution VS Intelligent Design

458 by galanter_Archive
NerblyBear wrote:
galanter wrote:
What the hell are you talking about?






But to not recognize that Christianity, especially as worked out by the philosophers of the Catholic Church over the past 20 centuries, is an internally consistent system of remarkable clarity and rationality is to be either intellectually dishonest or sadly uninformed.


Anyway...it may not be your cup of tea, but I see as much hubris in those who easily dismiss religion without trying to understand it *on its own terms* as I do in those who dismiss science they don't understand.

There is a more modest and effective way to deal with Intelligent Design than to declare a full scale war on religion and the religious.


differing disciplines with differing methodologies result in world
views which are incommensurable. There is no meta-method, and there
can be no meta-method, that can with unqualified generality choose a
victor in conflicts between science and philosophy, or science and religion,
and so on.


Insulting religious people by insisting that they are
primitive and irrational is not only rude, it doesn't reflect well on the
speaker's education.


Yeah, I said all that. But what does that have to do with "detestable "Aw Shucks, Can't We All Just Get Along?" rhetoric"?

DEBATE: Evolution VS Intelligent Design

459 by emmanuelle cunt_Archive
galanter wrote:
Gramsci wrote:In the entire history of human knowledge a supernatural belief has never, ever, not once, even a little, trumped the physical universe as science understands it.

That's never Matty and Mr G, and never is a long time.


You too. What the hell are you talking about? The only time I've addressed this realm was to say that saying "I don't know whether God exists" is a much more defensible position to take than "I know with certainty that God doesn't exist".

(Also the above syntax is strained. I assume you mean "trumped a scientific understanding of the universe".)



true, but the same applies to dragons leaving the earth in the XIV century and living on the dark side of the moon since then.
Last edited by emmanuelle cunt_Archive on Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:30 am, edited 1 time in total.

DEBATE: Evolution VS Intelligent Design

460 by ivan_Archive
ahhh, but EC, as galanter has told us, the question of our origins is a special class of question, because, it's like, the question of where we came from. yeah. We didn't come from moon-dragons. That's ridiculous.

Now a giant invisible person creator, that's an idea worthy of special immunity from rational and scientific inquiry. Look it's even got an internally consistent system of beliefs, so you don't get confused by pesky reality.
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