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twelvepoint wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:12 pm Ok so looks like that DW3000 double pedal was $219 back in 2013 and now it’s $329. I think back then I considered that an impulse purchase.

Yeah the cheaper end of new Tamas or Pearls seems to be around $250. This would need to be a used purchase at the moment..

MoreSpaceEcho wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:43 pm Never sounded right, always wimpy, never driving. Like playing the verse riff in Master of Puppets alternate strokes instead of all down, it sounds stupid.

Yes! Exactly. While I probably could even out the sound with a trigger or EQ I would feel a bit lazy achieving it with 2 feet. And limitations can force one to come up with creative solutions.

There is stuff that's impossible to play with a single pedal of course I'm not looking for that. Glitchy black metal kick doesn't appeal to me.

MoreSpaceEcho wrote: How about the opposite? A million years ago, the drummer in my metal band had a double kick set. He pretty much never did any classic double kick stuff. But if he was playing a basic beat like boom boom bap boom boom bap, instead of playing the kick hits with one foot like literally every other drummer in the history of music, he'd alternate L and R.

Never sounded right, always wimpy, never driving. Like playing the verse riff in Master of Puppets alternate strokes instead of all down, it sounds stupid.

Sorry for the O/T, that just triggered that ancient memory.

This is wild, I would have not expected this at all. On paper you'd think that having a whole leg dedicated to each stroke and 2 full beats of rest/recovery between, you'd be able to put massive power on it and it would just be this massively powerful experience.

As I'm sitting here doing this at my desk though I can feel my weak af no-power-having left leg struggling to hammer the same way my right does and yeah I totally get it. It would probably take forEVER to build up the left leg in the same way it takes forever to build up your left arm. I can do 8th note hi-hats all day long but those don't need to slam the way a kick does.

Thx for the brain twister!

It brings up another fun thing though I've always wondered about: having 2 bass drums tuned differently which on paper sounds like another fun thing but the fact that I'm not aware of ANYONE actually doing suggests it's probably just ass.

Garth wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:26 pm It brings up another fun thing though I've always wondered about: having 2 bass drums tuned differently which on paper sounds like another fun thing but the fact that I'm not aware of ANYONE actually doing suggests it's probably just ass.

I knew a very good drummer who had different sized kicks but I think that happened by circumstance, and he muffled them down to sound pretty even. I could see it being used to having a muffled kick for fast tempos and a more sustain-y one for big downbeats and doom doom parts, but that might get gimmicky fast.

I think Ginger Baker had different sized kicks. Maybe a few others from the classic rock era... Nick Mason maybe?

Garth wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:26 pm This is wild, I would have not expected this at all. On paper you'd think that having a whole leg dedicated to each stroke and 2 full beats of rest/recovery between, you'd be able to put massive power on it and it would just be this massively powerful experience.

As I'm sitting here doing this at my desk though....

Yep. It was always this kind of loping feel...if it were a different kind of band and it was swinging, it might be great. But for a metal band it was all wrong. I tried to bring it up once and he just seemed confused, like why would I do that with one foot when I have two? OK boss. Who learns like that? I always thought it was the oddest thing.

Anyway as far as two kicks tuned different, pretty sure on one of the later Fugazi records where Jerry Busher's playing...is he on End Hits or just The Argument, I don't remember...anyway there's one song that starts with a double drum intro and you can hear their kicks are tuned (guessing from memory) a 4th apart, it's a cool sound.

Lots of drummers have 2 kicks with different tuning or muting. For fast heavy music it is not uncommon to have the right/dominant drum set up with big decay, and the left/secondary kick set with less resonance, so that there aren't competing low frequency resonances during fast sections. The second kick is mostly click, with the primary kick handling the boom. Other styles of drumming also use different kicks for different tones; someone like Morgan Agren comes to mind.

Maurice wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:34 am

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Maurice wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:54 am With luck, I'll have the body ready to go by the end of the weekend.

C'mon man. I can't be the only person who wants an update. Saw a Mpls/AZ luthier post a 9-string guitar the other day and it jogged my memory.

Still waiting on the neck! The board was scheduled to be slotted last weekend. I had a few moments of crisis-of-confidence about the tuning, but running it through Scale Workshop showed me that it was a good neutral bridge between typical 12TET and 24-fret JI.

Here's the interval set in Scale Workshop. As a comparison, here's a simple 7-limit arrangement: see how the note distribution is sparser and less even.

Gonna check in with the neck guy about progress. I'm on the verge of ordering all new electronics, though: the loaded Squier body has these little micro-potentiometers. I've seen inconsistent documentation about potentiometer values on these; I'd expect 500ks, but Fender's own documentation says 250. I'm going to order 500s and just...like... wire it up new.

Neck guy had made the neck and slotted the board as of the 27th. Radio silence after that, so I emailed him yesterday, and he got back to me today: the neck is "super close" and should be done "in a few days," so it's possible I'd get it by the end of the month.

Meanwhile, I did order all new electronics, which I need to wire up to the Vintera pickups. With the neck possibly coming soon, I have motivation to carve out wiring time.

4 valley people gain brain ii.

I already have a dynamite but more of them would be nice



Pretty cheap

bikefvcker wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:00 am 4 valley people gain brain ii.

I already have a dynamite but more of them would be nice



Pretty cheap

Uhhh, do it! You already are an outboard person who enjoys that particular Valley People grit. I mean, in this day and age of Reverb.com how many under valued pieces can a person even buy anyone?

losthighway wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:28 am

bikefvcker wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:00 am 4 valley people gain brain ii.

I already have a dynamite but more of them would be nice



Pretty cheap

Uhhh, do it! You already are an outboard person who enjoys that particular Valley People grit. I mean, in this day and age of Reverb.com how many under valued pieces can a person even buy anyone?

Yeah. My budget is pretty limited but it’s basically 300 for that or 600 for new backup mci tape heads. I think both.


It also has two keepex modules. I have no gates