Skronk wrote:

Marsupialized wrote:
You really think they are smart enough to figure out how to vote? You have to know your social security number. Also, I think you have to wear shoes in the polling office. That cancels out about 75% of them right there.
Their time is over. They are finished.

What makes you think they're finished? There aren't enough liberals to silence the pro-jesus, stuck-in-the-closet, paranoid-about-gays-and-the-rise of-satan to rid the polling places.

Minotaur029 wrote:

Rick Reuben wrote:I'l be watching you eat your words all through the Obama presidency, Warmowski, if it comes to pass. I'll ask you every day to tell me when Obama is repealing the Patriot Act and scaling back the DHS and rescinding those martial law executive orders.

Obama has said that one of the first things he will do in office is get a team together to go through all the civil liberties that were deliberately eroded over the course of the Bush II Administration, and return said liberties.

I think there is reason to believe that he will actually do this.

The excuse that Obama's support for this bill is politically shrewd is -- even if accurate -- neither a defense of what he did nor a reason to refrain from loudly criticizing him for it. Actually, it's the opposite. It's precisely because Obama is calculating that he can -- without real consequence -- trample upon the political values of those who believe in the Constitution and the rule of law that it's necessary to do what one can to change that calculus. Telling Obama that you'll cheer for him no matter what he does, that you'll vest in him Blind Faith that anything he does is done with the purest of motives, ensures that he will continue to ignore you and your political interests.

Beyond that, this attitude that we should uncritically support Obama in everything he does and refrain from criticizing him is unhealthy in the extreme. No political leader merits uncritical devotion -- neither when they are running for office nor when they occupy it -- and there are few things more dangerous than announcing that you so deeply believe in the Core Goodness of a political leader, or that we face such extreme political crises that you trust and support whatever your Leader does, even when you don't understand it or think that it's wrong. That's precisely the warped authoritarian mindset that defined the Bush Movement and led to the insanity of the post-9/11 Era, and that uncritical reverence is no more attractive or healthy when it's shifted to a new Leader.

The Code is Almighty wrote:I vote that we disband America.

Rick Reuben wrote:It was disbanded in 1913, and then the sale was completed in 1933.

Christopher J. McGarvey wrote:Fuck yeah!
I say we go get drunk and kick Michigan's ass.

Christopher J. McGarvey wrote:Hawaii is asking for it.