When he talks, he doesn't sound like a bullshit artist.

caix wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot to say this since I opened this thread and now Obama is the democratic nominee:

I think he's come a long way. And, I have to say, convinced me that he is the best candidate the democratic party could have put forward, though I would still love to see a Gore/Edwards ticket (ah, too late!). When he talks, he doesn't sound like a bullshit artist, which I think is extremely refreshing in 2008. Also, he puts up a good fight against the other side, which is also extremely refreshing in 2008. He's got some smart policies, the one's I've read about.

He will never be perfect, he will never be exactly what we all wish for, on any side of the political spectrum. He's a politician, let's not forget that. But he's not a complete, utter failure and embarrassment like our current president.

Dr. O' Nothing wrote:

When he talks, he doesn't sound like a bullshit artist.

That sounds eerily familiar...I remember hearing that a lot around summertime/fall 2000.

All the more reason to maintain constant vigilance, cuz Barack, he is a bullshit artist and don't forget it. (check out his lame rationalization for backing out of his agreement to use only public funding for his campaign.)
Its just a sign of more BS to come.

jimmy spako wrote:

caix wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot to say this since I opened this thread and now Obama is the democratic nominee:

I think he's come a long way. And, I have to say, convinced me that he is the best candidate the democratic party could have put forward, though I would still love to see a Gore/Edwards ticket (ah, too late!). When he talks, he doesn't sound like a bullshit artist, which I think is extremely refreshing in 2008. Also, he puts up a good fight against the other side, which is also extremely refreshing in 2008. He's got some smart policies, the one's I've read about.

He will never be perfect, he will never be exactly what we all wish for, on any side of the political spectrum. He's a politician, let's not forget that. But he's not a complete, utter failure and embarrassment like our current president.

the dude is a master orator, i'll give him that. & a master politician. & he's warding off bullshit republican machine/faux news attacks relatively well.


but he is NOT a fighter. he can't beat a lameduck president with a 25% approval rating on issues such as the dismantling of the bill of rights? fighter? fuck that contention in the goddamned eye. name me one thing that he has fought & beat the president on with any sincerity.


i gotta say i agree with rikki clox on this one alot. he's a feel good candidate, a feel real real good candidate. & his speeches make me feel unbelievably good too. but i admit to myself that it has a whole hell of alot more to do with what he symbolizes than his actual actions (discounting his rhetorical actions).

tell me why he's better than chris dodd or dennis kucinich or however, without invoking "electability."

he's come a long way. we haven't.

caix wrote:

Dr. O' Nothing wrote:

When he talks, he doesn't sound like a bullshit artist.

That sounds eerily familiar...I remember hearing that a lot around summertime/fall 2000.

All the more reason to maintain constant vigilance, cuz Barack, he is a bullshit artist and don't forget it. (check out his lame rationalization for backing out of his agreement to use only public funding for his campaign.)
Its just a sign of more BS to come.

You heard that? Man, all I remember from the 2000 campaign is not believing a word George W. Bush said because he didn't sound like he actually understood what he was saying.

The campaign finance promise he made... I can't think of why a politician running on small donations from actual American citizens is a bad thing. The outrage from breaking his promise is short-sighted and ridiculous.

caix wrote:

jimmy spako wrote:

caix wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot to say this since I opened this thread and now Obama is the democratic nominee:

I think he's come a long way. And, I have to say, convinced me that he is the best candidate the democratic party could have put forward, though I would still love to see a Gore/Edwards ticket (ah, too late!). When he talks, he doesn't sound like a bullshit artist, which I think is extremely refreshing in 2008. Also, he puts up a good fight against the other side, which is also extremely refreshing in 2008. He's got some smart policies, the one's I've read about.

He will never be perfect, he will never be exactly what we all wish for, on any side of the political spectrum. He's a politician, let's not forget that. But he's not a complete, utter failure and embarrassment like our current president.

the dude is a master orator, i'll give him that. & a master politician. & he's warding off bullshit republican machine/faux news attacks relatively well.


but he is NOT a fighter. he can't beat a lameduck president with a 25% approval rating on issues such as the dismantling of the bill of rights? fighter? fuck that contention in the goddamned eye. name me one thing that he has fought & beat the president on with any sincerity.


i gotta say i agree with rikki clox on this one alot. he's a feel good candidate, a feel real real good candidate. & his speeches make me feel unbelievably good too. but i admit to myself that it has a whole hell of alot more to do with what he symbolizes than his actual actions (discounting his rhetorical actions).

tell me why he's better than chris dodd or dennis kucinich or however, without invoking "electability."

he's come a long way. we haven't.

Well, we can argue about who would be the best candidate. But let's be realistic here. None of the candidates we'd want to be president are even on the ballot. And besides, even if they were, we'd be arguing why they're not good enough.

Why he is or isn't better than Chris Dodd is unfortunately irrelevant.

Dr. O' Nothing wrote:Re: funding
I wouldn't qualify it as 'outrage' but the problem is that Barack is trying to portray himself as holier than thou, while he's just as two-faced as anyone else trying to get elected. I don't have a problem with his decision as much as his hypocrisy.

Rick Reuben wrote:Did you ever think to stop for a second that the 'downfall' of American liberty, integrity, sovereignty, and economic independence is exactly what they were hoping to accomplish with 9/11?

Rick Reuben wrote:Did you ever think to stop for a second that the 'downfall' of American liberty, integrity, sovereignty, and economic independence is exactly what they were hoping to accomplish with 9/11.