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Cranius wrote:

connor wrote:While I agree with the above argument and am firmly in the NOT CRAP position, my girlfriend, a Manhattan surgeon, offers this perspective (paraphrased):

"We (meaning U.S. surgeons) don't really do them anymore, since about the mid 90s. The reason is because a lot of medical literature came out that more often than not, a person's desire to change sexes was really just a mask for deeper problems. People often become convinced that all their problems lie in their gender, but this often isn't the case. People who had the operation were found to still have unresolved issues that they thought would be 'cured' by the procedure. They become so psychologically focused on this, then they get 'fixed' but still have the same depression issues.

"As a surgeon, if you're trying to fix something and make someone happier, yet the surgery doesn't do what its supposed to do, then as surgeon, I'm obligated not to do it...because it's surgery. There are risks involved in all surgeries, and this kind, it's really, really hard to reverse."

Connor, I'm curious as to why surgeons in the US are in agreement not carry out gender reassignment treatments anymore. Here in the UK there is 98% success rate for this surgery, with only 1% of patients regretting having this surgery. At current, it is the only known effective treatment for transsexualism. If you compare this to the 70's, when patients were treated with group and aversion therapies, there was a suicide rate 30%. So, I think could be safe in saying that it is life-saving surgery, as people do kill and mutilate themselves form this disorder. It is also regarded here as an inborn disability and treated equally to other correctable disabilities.

2.1 Following the general move away from a mechanistic base of thought by the scientific community at large, new views of medicine, health and disease have arisen (1.). In the UK, these have been accompanied by a government policy which identifies patient care as the main expected outcome of medical research and development (2.). An important response of the medical profession to these changes has been its growing recognition that the application of quantitative, empirically-based methodologies to the social phenomenon of health does not necessarily produce results which can usefully inform the practice of medicine in its lived social and cultural contexts (3.). Instead, there has been an increasing emphasis on the quality of life for patients as the measure of the effectiveness of healthcare (4.).

Cranius wrote:Connor, I'm curious as to why surgeons in the US are in agreement not to carry out gender reassignment treatments anymore. Here in the UK there is a 98% success rate for this surgery, with only 1% of patients regretting having the surgery. At current, it is the only known effective treatment for transsexualism. If you compare this to the 70's, when patients were treated with group and aversion therapies, there was a suicide rate 30%. So, I think would be safe in saying that it is a life-saving surgery, as people do kill and mutilate themselves form this disorder. It is also regarded here as an inborn disability and treated equally to other correctable disabilities.

unarmedman wrote:

steve wrote:The happily transgendered people out there would tell you you're full of shit. And they're not speculating.

Ok then! Find me all your happily transgendered friends, and have them join electrical! They can all PM me and tell me how much their life is better and more fulfilling for being a different sex! And they can tell me how completely healthy they are!

And then I'll be full of shit!

End-o Story!

terikeiser wrote:

unarmedman wrote:

steve wrote:The happily transgendered people out there would tell you you're full of shit. And they're not speculating.

Ok then! Find me all your happily transgendered friends, and have them join electrical! They can all PM me and tell me how much their life is better and more fulfilling for being a different sex! And they can tell me how completely healthy they are!

And then I'll be full of shit!

End-o Story!

And then you were SO full of shit
(unless you meant Steve specifically)

unarmedman wrote:Have a happy evening, gender-contents (and malcontents) of electrical!

only here wrote:especially cranius' recently neutered bitch!

unarmed man , who's that guy in your avatar?

let's leave mental health aside for now.
the sex change operation is a cosmetic surgery.

I think that unnecessary surgery is always crap.

cowtown14 wrote:2)

I think that unnecessary surgery is always crap.

"Unnecessary." I don't think you know what this word means.