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His daughter appears to be a skilled performer as well.

Boombats wrote:Your opinions are so generation-based it's ridiculous.

isn't yours as well?

Marylin Manson is a product. and a usless one at that.

LBx wrote:
Marylin Manson is a product. and a usless one at that.

Both of them are products. I don't like either.

"Dope Show" is a good song by Marilyn Manson, as well as a couple of other songs off Mechanical Animals, an album whose cover art concept is partially a rip on Brainiac's Hissing Prigs In Static Couture. Observe:




[originally the font on the Manson album was hacker t3xt d00d as well]

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Now Alice Cooper, well damn:

* "Lie Down And Die Goodbye", the ender on Easy Action, was pretty much the noise-rock-freakout template until SPK's "Slogun" nine years later.
* Alice influenced the camp factor of rock music from there on out.. even though it was copycatters Kiss who was the influence of its weaker breathen. Gene Simmons admitted that his plan for Kiss was that the band be comprised of "four Alice Coopers".
* You can thank Sonic Youth's rock-out-ness to early Alice Cooper, not to mention the Melvins who are very obviously fans. They even covered "Halo Of Flies" recently with Jello singing it.. and it was still great, even if you don't like Jello
* Oh, yeah, the band Halo Of Flies may have named themselves after the Alice Cooper song.. but perhaps an earlier reference to "Halo Of Flies" further back?
* So did the Yeah Yeah Yeah's arguably. (BOTH songs off Killer)
* The street fight song off School's Out scared the shit out of me as a kid, even though it was just glass breaking. The bass on that song pretty much invented NoMeansNo.
* "Elected" may be the greatest rock single of the 70s. Still sounds fresh today, especially with his gimpness at the helm.
* VINCENT MUTHAFUCKIN PRICE on "Devil's Food/The Black Widow" on Welcome To My Nightmare puts that album in his Top 3 alone. Best rock song diatribe/monologue ever. Vincent's cameo on Michael Jackson's Thriller was totally ass in comparison, and seriously, it takes a lot for me to put Thriller down.
* "Clones (We're All)" pre-new waved new wave in a good way... too bad that was the peak of his 80s material, but still a classic song, even past the 70s prime.
* Hell, even Goes To Hell, Lace And Whiskey, and From The Inside were great.

From Constrictor and forth, it's embarrassing. But.. well.. with maybe three songs tops aside, Marilyn Manson never bested Trash, even.. although he should be a commentator on VH-1 shows and I'd have a beer with MM.

And the shocking winner here: the Alice. NNNNNNNNNNC

I think Jennifer Herrema's vocal style totally derives from Alice Cooper.

The Alice Cooper Band, that original one, can I stop from drooling in my beer over em'? Thought not, but I'll continue on here, as I've nothing better to do. What was it we were talking about? ALICE COOPER! Hell, even the stuff they did as the Spiders (60's garage-rock) was ace. Do I really have to tell you? "Pretties For You" was an excellent psych record, had more humor than most, and the arrangments were totally OUTTA WACK! Even Zappa dug it! Move on to "Easy Action" and we find the weird psych meeting monster rock and it gets really good! Especially "Refrigerator Heaven", which seems to predict the likes of Chrome, Devo and the Electric Eels all in one song! Superb! What happens next? They move to Detroit and, taking on the spirit of the Stooges and (to a lesser extent, really) the MC5, they record TWO OF THE GREATEST ROCK'N'ROLL ALBUMS EVER MADE. "Love it to Death" and "Killer" (yeah, I know it wasn't really made when the band lived in Detroit, but they prolly wrote it there...). What more can be said? These two albums stack up against any rock record ever made and still stand tall! After that, things become a bit more theatrical. "Schools Out" and "Billion Dollar Babies" are still head above most rock records, just not as immediate as the previous. "Muscle of Love" is, to me, the sounds of a band sinking in a sewer, but it still has its moments. From there, "Alice" takes on solo career... "Welcome to My Nightmare" is still a fun record (better than "Muscle of Love", actually). After that, a few things here or there... Generally, when I say ALICE COOPER I mean the band, not Vincent Furnier...

I've got a DVD of various Alice Cooper stuff... Some of the stuff they were doing in 1969/1970 was insane noise/improv. This was between the "Pretties For You"/"Easy Action" psych period and the "Love it to Death"/"Killer" monster rock period. It blows away a lot of current weirdo noisy performance nutso shit, because it seems like more of a geniune exploration than an arty pre-conceived idea. Ya!

Expect more rants on this subject... When I was asked at a bar several years ago who my favorite dead person was, I blurted out "Glen Buxton" immediately.

By the way, Zom-Zom's ancient wood carving or whatever the fuck it is of Alice Cooper is an excellent piece of fine art that I'd love to have on my wall. Splendid!

Oh yeah...

Alice Cooper beats Marilyn Manson with a turkey leg over and over again...

And, yeah...

Regarding Mr. Cooper's political orientation... I could care less, but he's pretty much maintained that "Alice" is his alter ego anyway. He slips in and out of the routine. Vince is the son of a preacher man, and therefore is now a golfer with a program to help youths get in touch with Jesus. But, then he can go do Alice Cooper and it's a whole differerent ball game. Get it?