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barndog wrote:

Skronk wrote: Those are bad, the meat farts, the perfume bath, etc., but we don't legislate for that shit. That's the big difference.

We don't legistlate for that shit because they haven't been proven to be a health risk.

So the answer is selectively legislating for health risks? There's no health risk when the smoker isn't smoking, i.e. coming back to the office smelling like smoke. After hours, the more sensible action is to have smoking and non smoking bars.

The bigger issue is telling people what they can or cannot do. No one has the right. If you don't like bars that have smokers, don't go to a bar. I don't smoke weed, but I'm not about to bitch if I see someone light up at a show.

If you don't want me smoking while I'm in your home, or car, it's your right to tell me, but extending that to a neutral environment like a club, or workplace is too much. You can ban it, but there will still be smokers.

Skronk wrote:

barndog wrote:

Skronk wrote: Those are bad, the meat farts, the perfume bath, etc., but we don't legislate for that shit. That's the big difference.

We don't legistlate for that shit because they haven't been proven to be a health risk.

So the answer is selectively legislating for health risks? There's no health risk when the smoker isn't smoking, i.e. coming back to the office smelling like smoke. After hours, the more sensible action is to have smoking and non smoking bars.

Not health risks, actions that put other's health at risk. But I think we're getting off the subject. Too be clear - I don't have any more problem with people who come back from a smoke break smelling like smoke than I do with people who have bad breath. But if we shared a work area and I occasionally spray painted in that shared area - you'd be within your right to be pissed. There's no good way to isolate the health risk. I'd never vote for any legislation that prevented you from smoking - that's your choice.

Skronk wrote:So the answer is selectively legislating for health risks?

Not for me. I've got a real problem with the current wave of legislation.

Me, I just get annoyed when people walk into meetings straight from the smoke break and stink up the place.

barndog wrote:

Skronk wrote:

barndog wrote:

Skronk wrote: Those are bad, the meat farts, the perfume bath, etc., but we don't legislate for that shit. That's the big difference.

We don't legistlate for that shit because they haven't been proven to be a health risk.

So the answer is selectively legislating for health risks? There's no health risk when the smoker isn't smoking, i.e. coming back to the office smelling like smoke. After hours, the more sensible action is to have smoking and non smoking bars.

Not health risks, actions that put other's health at risk. But I think we're getting off the subject. Too be clear - I don't have any more problem with people who come back from a smoke break smelling like smoke than I do with people who have bad breath. But if we shared a work area and I occasionally spray painted in that shared area - you'd be within your right to be pissed. There's no good way to isolate the health risk. I'd never vote for any legislation that prevented you from smoking - that's your choice.

It's not the inside workplace I'm talking about. Of course I'd be out of line smoking in a shared office, but outside the building, I'm talking about. But banning smoking in front of the building, or banning it altogether on the company grounds is ridiculous. Banning it in bars and clubs is also ridiculous.

First the workplace is effected, then personal life. It's an issue about drugs and policy, it's more than a spat in an office. Legislation designed to control action, however noble, will grow beyond the scope of what it initially covered. An anti smoking initiative, at work, should begin and end with the employer, not government. It's one thing to ban indoor smoking at work, and another entirely when it effects your social life.

it's their freedom!

don't shit on america man or it will shit back onto you!

I can't fuckin stand being some where some one is smoking. It fucking reeks. Being near some one smoking is awful, I can feel it in my lungs. Yeah, everyone's "out to get" you guys. We just can't stand having to deal with your awful habits and leaving a place smelling like smoke all day.

mada wrote:I can't fuckin stand being some where some one is smoking. It fucking reeks. Being near some one smoking is awful, I can feel it in my lungs. Yeah, everyone's "out to get" you guys. We just can't stand having to deal with your awful habits and leaving a place smelling like smoke all day.

So i'm not crazy then?

Verbs and Nouns wrote:
I've smelt the REAL smell of clubs. And yes, it's gross. And smoking / no-smoking it doesn't make sense. I'm no scientist, but I'm pretty sure smoke drifts from room to room. Unless of course you're asking for completely different venues to be smoking and non-smoking, which wouldn't work.

Yes, I'm asking for separate venues.

Why wouldn't it work?

Skronk wrote:If you don't like bars that have smokers, don't go to a bar.

If only the British Government had the sense to come to this solid conclusion.

mada wrote:Being near some one smoking is awful, I can feel it in my lungs.

I can feel this statement in my eyes and brain.