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Rick Reuben wrote:

bumble wrote:A vaccine provokes antibody seroconversion as though you had the disease.

But what else is the vaccine doing while it is 'provoking antibodies'? What else is leaking through the blood-brain barrier?

All vaccines are neurotoxic. There is no way to alter the immune system without other consequences.

This may be Rick, and in fact I'm sure you're right, but aren't the risks associated with actually acquiring a full blown case of the diseases prevented by these vaccines far worse?

That was the point of one of my questions in one of my previous posts.

Either way, you are "provoking antibodies", but at least with one there is far less risk of actually suffering the effects of a full blown case of, for instance, the measles.

Of course, this does not mean we should not try and find ways to make vaccines less risky. Obviously, we should.

Rick Reuben wrote:

bumble wrote:A vaccine provokes antibody seroconversion as though you had the disease.

But what else is the vaccine doing while it is 'provoking antibodies'? What else is leaking through the blood-brain barrier?

All vaccines are neurotoxic. There is no way to alter the immune system without other consequences.

And all viruses are cytotoxic, including many unknown but present viruses that have yet to be discovered and classified, causing non acute yet possibly chronic ailments that are non-specific. So what's your point?

We all gotta pick our poison. If you prefer life altering communicable diseases to life altering pharmaceutical toxicity for you and your family, then bully for you.

Either way, something is gonna get you and fuck you up, and chances are the better the viruses will win before the vaccine makes you sick.

Thanks for exploiting the public health system, chuckles. At least that means you read my post about herd immunity.

Also, let's give it another shot: lymph nodes. That's where your immune reaction takes place. The lymph system. Your brain does not control your antibodies. Freaky, I know.

Rick Reuben wrote:

bumble wrote: Your brain does not control your antibodies.

No shit. But the *vaccines* pass through the *blood vessels* of the *brain*. Do you not understand that we are talking about anticipated or unanticipated collateral damage from vaccinations??

Through what mechanisms, precisely?

Rick Reuben wrote:

bumble wrote: Your brain does not control your antibodies.

No shit. But the *vaccines* pass through the *blood vessels* of the *brain*. Do you not understand that we are talking about anticipated or unanticipated collateral damage from vaccinations??

If you caught the disease, the disease might also pass through the blood-brain barrier.

Edit: oh, and there are no blood vessels in the brain, itself. That's the blood-brain barrier, you see.

bumble wrote:

Rick Reuben wrote:

bumble wrote: Your brain does not control your antibodies.

No shit. But the *vaccines* pass through the *blood vessels* of the *brain*. Do you not understand that we are talking about anticipated or unanticipated collateral damage from vaccinations??

If you caught the disease, the disease might also pass through the blood-brain barrier.

A little viral meningitis, anyone?

Rick R,

you're picking the wrong person to try to argue with about infectious diseases, especially in regards to understanding risk assessment and projection of data trends.


bumble is the heavyweight champ of that shit here.

jussayin'.



cheers,



Faiz


p.s. ebola is awesome.

Rick Reuben wrote:

kerble wrote:you're picking the wrong person to try to argue with about infectious diseases, especially in regards to understanding risk assessment and projection of data trends.

She can tell me herself how we are supposed to rule out anticipated or unanticipated collateral damage from vaccinations.

You don't rule it out, but you don't put the rest of the public at risk and spread hysteria as result of selfish paranoia and putting complete faith in one form of media outlet pandering as opposed to another form of media outlet pandering before all the real work has been done and the results fully substantiated.

Rick Reuben wrote:All vaccines are neurotoxic. There is no way to alter the immune system without other consequences.

I'd like to see some evidence to back up these claims, please.

Rick Reuben wrote:

bumble wrote:Edit: oh, and there are no blood vessels in the brain, itself.

What?? What is a brain aneurysm, then?

The blood-brain barrier exists BETWEEN the vascular system and the brain tissue, doctor!