numberthirty wrote:"Discomfort" is different than just not giving a shit. You care. That's fine. What kind of man he is amounts to a complete non-issue for me.Something besides "Completely Stuck In The Mud" being where immigration reform goes? Now, it's at least a "Maybe".Since the Reagan administration, it has been "Yeah, we ain't doing shit with that."I will take "Maybe" things move towards not completely screwed.I don't get it... why doesn't the US just have a temporary working visa specifically for Mexicans so they can come over and legally do all the jobs Americans seem to not want to do?Also, why do rightwingers bitch about illegals when they are the ones that vastly benefit the most from cheap labour undermining the pay and conditions of local workers? From there, why are "traditional liberals" defending illegal immigration when it is "undermining the pay and conditions of local workers"?Why is immigration such a fucked up backwards issue?

numberthirty wrote:llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:What is it about his immigration policy that you're so fond of?If you can't tell me, that probably says a lot.To put it simply, he is talking about that it does not work. He is talking about that it needs to change. If that inadvertently moves things one inch closer to an America where people are not being exploited on a daily basis, I'll take it. That sort of thing just happened with marriage equality.His saying it keeps the idea in the open. I guess I was hoping for something more specific from you other than you being glad he's talking about it. You know, since immigration is such a rare topic for people running for office.

numberthirty wrote:don.chaney wrote:you think immigration is going to be glossed over? That's nuts. It is. When did I say that?I've said very clearly I want it front and center. I've laid out dumb ass tangents everyone else is off on.You really don't say much of anything. You make irrational posts and you're evasive with your replies when people call you out on them. It's weird, trollish behavior, and I wish you didn't think you had to do that for attention.

numberthirty wrote:don.chaney wrote:And while his ideas of what "reform" means are crazy terrible and he's generally a huge piece of shit, he at least acknowledges the system we've got going doesn't work."Acknowledge" would mean he's admitting/accepting it. No one brought it up for to admit/accept. He was talking about it when no one asked him to.As for him being a "huge piece of shit", I guess? Pretty small potatoes compared to anything meaningful happening on reforming current immigration policy.numberthirty wrote:Actually, I can put this another way.There is no doubt in my mind if this guy was not stomping this into the dirt that it would be getting little attention. The only reason it has become something everyone is addressing is because this guy brought it up and wouldn't let it go.No matter what I think of him, I am glad he has made it an issue that won't get a short shrift.Wow, you really think Donald Trump saying a bunch of racist shit made immigration a big issue.'I'm only quoting this in case you try to go back and delete your posts.

llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:I guess I was hoping for something more specific from you other than you being glad he's talking about it. You know, since immigration is such a rare topic for people running for office.Off the top of my head...- Lindsay Graham: Talking about Hillary and Benghazi.- Carly Fiorina: Talking about Hillary.- Rick Perry: Talking about Trump/Vets.- Rand Paul: Chainsawed the tax code.- Ted Cruz: Doing Simpsons impressions.- Mike Huckabee: Talking about Iran deal.- Scott Walker: ?Maybe you have come across something I have not. Trump is keeping an issue I want debated front a center.

Just caught Christie talking about how he will make it a priority to enforce Federal drug law once he is president.You keep bringing up immigration policy as much as you want, Trump.

don.chaney wrote:you think immigration is going to be glossed over? That's nuts. It is. When did I say that?I've said very clearly I want it front and center. I've laid out dumb ass tangents everyone else is off on.

If you want to think what I've posted is evasive or irrational, that's you're call. If you think I'm doing it for attention, I probably can't talk you out of it. That doesn't make that Christie is talking about using Federal drug law to control what happens in Colorado less of a fact.That doesn't make that Reagan was the last time anything of note on this front happened less of a fact.That matters to me. I've laid it out pretty plainly.

don.chaney wrote:And while his ideas of what "reform" means are crazy terrible and he's generally a huge piece of shit, he at least acknowledges the system we've got going doesn't work."Acknowledge" would mean he's admitting/accepting it. No one brought it up for to admit/accept. He was talking about it when no one asked him to.As for him being a "huge piece of shit", I guess? Pretty small potatoes compared to anything meaningful happening on reforming current immigration policy.

Actually, I can put this another way.There is no doubt in my mind if this guy was not stomping this into the dirt that it would be getting little attention. The only reason it has become something everyone is addressing is because this guy brought it up and wouldn't let it go.No matter what I think of him, I am glad he has made it an issue that won't get a short shrift.