Justin Foley wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:35 am Cakes -

No one's being obtuse. You raised a question and the conversation has moved from there.

Good luck finding your EQ.

= Justin

Agreed. Man, there's zero disrespect or offense here, but if anyone's being obtuse Cakes, it's probably you.

Based on some of your previous posts, you seem to be less-experienced and looking for some guidance/suggestions, no? So with the combined HUNDREDS of years of experience with recording and sound gathered here from people who actually do this as a day job, you may want to at least OPEN yourself to the idea that maybe EQing a signal to tape w/ an outboard eq isn't going to give you the mileage you are hoping for. You've gotten tons of objectively good free advice from legit brains here in this and other posts.

Seriously, I don't know too many occasions that people print outboard EQ to tape. When it is done, it is done, it's usually either gentle cutting or it's for a specific "sweetening" like the Pultec which is why I suggested that line first. Personally, I haven't done it since I was first starting out and have gotten way, way better results choosing the correct mic and positioning as was suggested many times above.

The suggestions above aren't what you're specifically asking, but you seem to be fixated that an outboard EQ is the end-all-be-all of your needs right now and a lot of smart, experienced folks are suggesting that maybe it isn't and you should at least consider opening up to that idea and exploring it before throwing out words like "obtuse."

That being said, I'm a big fan of "fuck around and find out (but not in that stupid proud-boy monkey-dance way but co-opted for promotion of experimentation for the sake of learning)" You'll learn a lot more from experience and may end up reinforcing what's already been suggested to you. So yeah, get yourself an EQ or better yet RENT one if you are in a market big enough to support those kinds of endeavors, then try it out for yourself, see if you like it or not and if you buy it used, you won't be out that much money if you end up dumping it later. That Symetrix you're inquiring about will probably get you what you think you're looking for.

I get it. Cakes needed a specific answer to a question and the forum takes a life of its own and the answer gets hard to pick through. It's always going to happen and there is nothing wrong with trying to get things back on the rails, even if it is just going to fly off again.

Maybe a used Joe Meek unit is useful? Cheap. They work. Lots have comps as well.

https://reverb.com/p/joemeek-threeq-hal ... 2wQAvD_BwE

Ok, my apologies. I'm no spring chicken to this forum, either. There was a lot of chatter off topic and getting into aggressive personal opinions (pet peeve) and it was grinding me gears. I often get great answers in the tech room, and I always appreciate it. Thanks again.

If EQ isn't a "thing" then why do recording consoles have dedicated EQ on each track?

cakes wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:05 pmwhy do recording consoles have dedicated EQ on each track?

So people can say "Do you know what all those knobs do?"

Kniferide wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:20 pm

cakes wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:05 pmwhy do recording consoles have dedicated EQ on each track?

So people can say "Do you know what all those knobs do?"

We have come full-circle

To answer a thing you posted before, I have an 8 track console going in with dedicated track EQ and FX. The EQs and FX only work for recording on the console's SD drive or using it as a live board, but doesn't translate when being used as an audio interface with a computer. Weird design choice, I guess? Anyway, I would really love to be able to use some parametric EQs when recording on the computer at times instead of EQing after the fact in software, but it's not an option from what I can tell. I love the board, it's great for practice and recording, despite this design choice.

cakes wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:26 pm

Kniferide wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:20 pm

cakes wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:05 pmwhy do recording consoles have dedicated EQ on each track?

So people can say "Do you know what all those knobs do?"

We have come full-circle

To answer a thing you posted before, I have an 8 track console going in. I guess it's design is to only use the track EQs for recording on the console's SD drive or using it as a live board, but doesn't translate when being used as an audio interface with a computer. Weird design choice, I guess? Anyway, I would really love to be able to use some parametric EQs when recording on the computer at times instead of EQing after the fact in software, but it's not an option from what I can tell. The board even has some excellent FX, but again only in the other two modes.

Does it have inserts? What is the model number so I can see what you're dealing with.

Kniferide wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:43 pm Does it have inserts? What is the model number so I can see what you're dealing with.

It does have inserts. It's a Tascam Model 12.

Was looking it up before, and these models (12/16/24) only print EQ and FX in mixdown. I mean, that makes sense I guess.

The other option here is to get a mic preamp that has EQ in it. The Preamps on the 12 are pretty transparent, but they don't get a lot of gain. I use some other mic pres to get sufficient gain, but they do lack EQ.

cakes wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:05 pm Ok, my apologies. I'm no spring chicken to this forum, either. There was a lot of chatter off topic and getting into aggressive personal opinions (pet peeve) and it was grinding me gears. I often get great answers in the tech room, and I always appreciate it. Thanks again.

If EQ isn't a "thing" then why do recording consoles have dedicated EQ on each track?

I'm going to try to turn the "Grump Uncle..." down as far as I can here...

(Seriously, I like to think of everyone here as an amigo of sorts...)

One of the most important realizations that I ever came to was the fact that I could second guess what my "Knee Jerk..." take on something was.

As far as this "EQ..." situation goes?

Why do you believe that it is there for the reason that you are asserting that it is?

Because I can think of a whole bunch of incredibly valid uses of an eq on a console that have right around "Zero..." to do with processing a signal on the way to whatever you are recording on.

numberthirty wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:48 pm

cakes wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:05 pm Ok, my apologies. I'm no spring chicken to this forum, either. There was a lot of chatter off topic and getting into aggressive personal opinions (pet peeve) and it was grinding me gears. I often get great answers in the tech room, and I always appreciate it. Thanks again.

If EQ isn't a "thing" then why do recording consoles have dedicated EQ on each track?

I'm going to try to turn the "Grump Uncle..." down as far as I can here...

(Seriously, I like to think of everyone here as an amigo of sorts...)

One of the most important realizations that I ever came to was the fact that I could second guess what my "Knee Jerk..." take on something was.

As far as this "EQ..." situation goes?

Why do you believe that it is there for the reason that you are asserting that it is?

Because I can think of a whole bunch of incredibly valid uses of an eq on a console that have right around "Zero..." to do with processing a signal on the way to whatever you are recording on.

I was being facetious, but I appreciate your response.