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His politics are morally bankrupt

CRAP

amar wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:01 pm His politics are morally bankrupt

CRAP

In what way? The typical Boomer anti “woke” stuff?

He's been an Israel apologist for years.

p.s. that doesn't sway my musical opinion just putting it out there.

He was also a deadbeat dad to two of his four sons. Both of those sons were conceived within months of each other.

If you want more grist for the mill.

Describing the devastating razing to the ground of Gaza as a 'horrific complication' consigns him to the crap heap. Jerk

Here we go again... Back to the old separating the art from the artist thing. I can't help but think that not being able to untangle the two (in most cases) is not particularly healthy for art.

Cave's Gaza statement seems callous, almost laughable. And if he's indeed an Israel apologist, well, then, I don't agree w/him.

But still ... I really couldn't give a shit about Nick Cave's politics or lack of parental responsibility. I have zero desire, for example, to judge the members of Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, or the Jesus Lizard on their global-affairs ethics or their interpersonal relationships. I'm looking for music, not moral fiber. Why would I care what the fuck Nick Cave thinks? About anything, to be honest!

Last I checked, plenty of great rockers (ok, Cave doesn't exactly rock anymore, but still... ) were absent or even terrors as parents and quite idiotic in terms of their takes on international issues.

I might feel differently if either of these things were front and center in Cave's music or if he acted like Ted fucking Nugent, but they're not and he doesn't.

I'll happily listen to From Her to Eternity over shopping at Amazon or taking an Uber if I can help it. Or joining a major social media platform, for that manner. The people who run all that crap tend to be tangibly odious, as opposed to just misguided or having an opinion that I don't like. But again, it's just a personal choice, and your mileage may vary (perhaps rightfully so, if say, you happen to be Palestinian or if either issue hits closer to home for you).

Some of my absolute least favorite music. All of it. I can't hang with it. For years I thought it was all the drama and theatrics that turned me off, but a few nights ago, I was lucky enough to see Pulp here in Chicago...and it doesn't get much more dramatic and theatrical than Jarvis Cocker. But he was absolutely fucking brilliant. What separates the two of them? I don't see the charm in Nick Cave, I see pomposity. Jarvis had an obvious, genuine love for the audience and a humility about him. Not to mention some of the best fucking songs of the last 40 years. And RELATABLE songs delivered with incomparable wit! Maybe that's it. Pulp: NC, WF0. Nick Cave: CRAP.

To be fair, playing shows in Israel (ignoring pleas from some of his fans) is a step beyond making a dumb tweet or whatever. This isn't some millennial/Gen Z phenomenon either: artists who played in South Africa in the '80s got called out too.

And sure you can listen to "Release the Bats" and not care what that singer thinks about plastic straws, but he is also a writer, filmmaker (kinda) and influential person on podcasts and whatnot so it's inevitable that people will have strong takes about him.

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 4:00 pm Why would I care what the fuck Nick Cave thinks? About anything, to be honest!

That’s you. Not saying you’re wrong, but Nick Cave’s whole thing is q+a shit now. It’s all about what he thinks.

He and Radiohead and rich assholes before anything else, so it’s pretty easy to be put off by it.

I think they’re all gross and I’ll listen to them if I want to, but it sure doesn’t make me like Wild God (2024) any better.

penningtron wrote: To be fair, playing shows in Israel (ignoring pleas from some of his fans) is a step beyond making a dumb tweet or whatever. This isn't some millennial/Gen Z phenomenon either: artists who played in South Africa in the '80s got called out too.

And sure you can listen to "Release the Bats" and not care what that singer thinks about plastic straws, but he is also a writer, filmmaker (kinda) and influential person on podcasts and whatnot so it's inevitable that people will have strong takes about him.

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OrthodoxEaster wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 4:00 pm Why would I care what the fuck Nick Cave thinks? About anything, to be honest!

That’s you. Not saying you’re wrong, but Nick Cave’s whole thing is q+a shit now. It’s all about what he thinks.

He and Radiohead and rich assholes before anything else, so it’s pretty easy to be put off by it. Listen to it or don’t, I also don’t care, but I understand, for sure.

Of course, it's me. And I get it too. Zero disrespect. But I suppose that I find rich assholes w/way, way more power and sway in society—whose pockets most people don't question lining out of convenience or habit—to be far more disturbing. Plenty of large international companies do business in and w/Israel and/or interests attached to it and its lobbying groups. Way too many people patronize them b/c they simply can't imagine not doing so. A Nick Cave show in Tel Aviv is a lousy idea, but not exactly a world-ender for me. Small potatoes. Closer to home, I'm half Ukrainian and my mum was born there, but if bands still wanna tour Russia right now, I think that's fine. (But good luck w/that visa and the police, babe!) In terms of influence, I doubt any of my officemates, for example, even know who Cave is (a few might confuse him w/the same-named American visual artist), but they all sure shop at Amazon or whatever.

llllllllllllllllllll wrote: it sure doesn’t make me like Wild God (2024) any better.

I can't even muster the effort to investigate if it's good or not. Even if I'll happily go back to the early stuff. I'm semiboycotting him inadvertently, I guess...