OrthodoxEaster wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:38 am That said, crazy-ass vigilante behavior is never a great sign. Whether that's assassinating this dude or bombing an abortion clinic or blowing up a block in Oklahoma City

False equivalency. Bombing clinics and public offices kills innocent civilians, and was motivated by fear and hatred. I don’t know what this assassin’s motivation was but he didn’t kill anyone innocent.

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: glee is just one step removed from wishing you had killed him yourself.

If I didn’t have a good life, I would have done something like this a long time ago. I’m glad I didn’t do it but I’m grateful that someone did and I hope we see more actions like this, assuming it was done for a good reason.

Everyone has assumed this was done as punishment for being a corporate ghoul, but it’s entirely possible that he fucked with the wrong person within his own socioeconomic level and got got for something petty or meaningless to us. I know I don’t have access to a pistol let alone a silencer, and I don’t know where to hire a professional hit man, but I bet this guy’s associates do.

OP needs to fix the poll questions because they are contradictory and don’t make sense.

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:20 pm glee is just one step removed from wishing you had killed him yourself. as i have aged, i am more aware of my own ability to do evil and so i'm trying to resist it.
if you are a powerless kid, glee does not evoke such ethical dilemmas. it's easy to cheer when other people are doing the dirty work.

I don’t want *anyone* to have the kind of power this asshole did. Tell me, what’s your opinion on someone killing a Nazi officer? Why the fuck should it matter whether someone murders through direct physical violence or through systemic violence? This is literally the same kind of shit my community is going through right now. We are being subject to discriminatory laws, pushed out of our homes, forced to choose between detransition or suicide, all this shit spearheaded by literal fascists who are not only above the law but are wielding it against marginalized people, but heaven fucking forbid anyone even *hopes* these assholes are permanently removed from power the only way they can be.

ChudFusk wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:00 pm

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:38 am That said, crazy-ass vigilante behavior is never a great sign. Whether that's assassinating this dude or bombing an abortion clinic or blowing up a block in Oklahoma City

False equivalency. Bombing clinics and public offices kills innocent civilians, and was motivated by fear and hatred. I don’t know what this assassin’s motivation was but he didn’t kill anyone innocent.

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: glee is just one step removed from wishing you had killed him yourself.

If I didn’t have a good life, I would have done something like this a long time ago. I’m glad I didn’t do it but I’m grateful that someone did and I hope we see more actions like this, assuming it was done for a good reason.

ok you just made a good case for living a good life. bad lives produces worse choices.
death is not the answer.

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:24 pm

ChudFusk wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:00 pm

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:38 am That said, crazy-ass vigilante behavior is never a great sign. Whether that's assassinating this dude or bombing an abortion clinic or blowing up a block in Oklahoma City

False equivalency. Bombing clinics and public offices kills innocent civilians, and was motivated by fear and hatred. I don’t know what this assassin’s motivation was but he didn’t kill anyone innocent.

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: glee is just one step removed from wishing you had killed him yourself.

If I didn’t have a good life, I would have done something like this a long time ago. I’m glad I didn’t do it but I’m grateful that someone did and I hope we see more actions like this, assuming it was done for a good reason.

ok you just made a good case for living a good life. bad lives produces worse choices.
death is not the answer.

It seems pretty clear to me from the context of saying he’s grateful someone else did it, that he’s glad he himself didn’t do it because it would have negatively affected his life, not because it was inherently a “bad” choice.

Hex wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:56 pm It seems pretty clear to me from the context of saying he’s grateful someone else did it, that he’s glad he himself didn’t do it because it would have negatively affected his life, not because it was inherently a “bad” choice.

Exactly. When one goes to war, whether for one's country or one's beliefs, the warrior should expect theirs to be a one-way road. I am glad I now only need wield a plowshare, but if I had no field and no seeds then I would have no farm and family to lose if I took up the sword. This is why we assume the shooter is motivated by some loss of a loved one, because most don't fight until their family is threatened. But there's no doubt as to whether killing is justified; it's all a risk/reward calculation.

ChudFusk wrote:

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:38 am That said, crazy-ass vigilante behavior is never a great sign. Whether that's assassinating this dude or bombing an abortion clinic or blowing up a block in Oklahoma City

False equivalency. Bombing clinics and public offices kills innocent civilians, and was motivated by fear and hatred. I don’t know what this assassin’s motivation was but he didn’t kill anyone innocent.

Not really the point I was making, though.

All of these killers —regardless of their target, regardless of whether their intent is noble or misguided — think they're killing b/c it's "right" and for a greater good.

And no, Mr. Healthcare probably wasn't "innocent" at all. Although his affected family may have been. And what if a bystander was offed while intervening? There are also reports from Bossman's work colleagues that he was one of the few CEOs who actually viewed claims denials as a serious problem and wanted to change the company's image. (Dunno if that's hindsight company-spin bullshit or not.)

The point I'm making is that you don't just go shooting people for running a hideous, harmful company. B/c hey, why not gun down Bezos and Musk while we're at it, and the list goes on.

And finally, what does it accomplish? Do you really think the health insurance industry will change much b/c of this incident? I doubt it. They'll just have tighter security for corporate jerks. Even if you killed 10 of these fuckers.

And how much control did Mr. CEO have over United's claims denials? Not like that never happened before he was there. Not like it won't happen after. I hope I'm wrong, but...

Again, a one-month mass boycott of United premiums would make the shareholders cry way more than the death of a wholly replaceable CEO. Money clearly means more to them than human life. That's kind of the whole problem in the first place!

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 5:37 pmAll of these killers —regardless of their target, regardless of whether their intent is noble or misguided — think they're killing b/c it's "right" and for a greater good.

I don't know why you can't tell the difference between indiscriminate slaughter and targeted, justified excution. If your point is that all death is bad, then I have bad news for you; we're all going to die. Some of us have a choice as to how and when, but it's people like this CEO who decide when countless others will lose access to life. As someone else said, killing people like that is a form of self-defense.

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 5:37 pm B/c hey, why not gun down Bezos and Musk while we're at it, and the list goes on.

A moral black hole.

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 5:37 pm The point I'm making is that you don't just go shooting people for running a hideous, harmful company. B/c hey, why not gun down Bezos and Musk while we're at it, and the list goes on.

That would be wonderful. Musk in particular has had a *huge* role in the spread of anti-trans bigotry and genocidal laws against us, and was a great help in getting Trump re-elected. His actions have directly lead to the deaths of people in my community and bomb threats made against hospitals providing gender-affirming care encouraged by twitter accounts he directly boosts.

Are any of you who are yapping about “morality” a marginalized class in any way by virtue of your skin color, gender, orientation, etc? Any of you ever been accosted on the street and threatened with rape and murder because of your appearance? If not I sincerely hope you shut the fuck up. Your “morality” is blind obedience to the fucking status quo. You decry “violence” but have no problem with the state having a monopoly on it. You feign sympathy for people like me while chastising us for wanting to fight back against the people killing us because of who we are. I don’t *want* to wish ill will on these people. All they have to do for us to drop our ire is to stop being racist, stop being transphobic, to stop fucking using systemic power to oppress and kill us. To let us live our own fucking lives, to be in control of our own fucking bodies. For them, however, they won’t be happy until people like me are dead. That is their literal fucking stated goals—“destroy transgender ideology” is a rallying cry at their own events—and I really wish a lot of you would get that through your thick fucking “holier-than-thou” skulls.