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Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 5:37 pm**

ChudFusk wrote:
OrthodoxEaster wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:38 am That said, crazy-ass vigilante behavior is never a great sign. Whether that's assassinating this dude or bombing an abortion clinic or blowing up a block in Oklahoma City
False equivalency. Bombing clinics and public offices kills innocent civilians, and was motivated by fear and hatred. I don’t know what this assassin’s motivation was but he didn’t kill anyone innocent.

Not really the point I was making, though.

All of these killers —regardless of their target, regardless of whether their intent is noble or misguided — think they're killing b/c it's "right" and for a greater good.

And no, Mr. Healthcare probably wasn't "innocent" at all. Although his affected family may have been. And what if a bystander was offed while intervening? There are also reports from Bossman's work colleagues that he was one of the few CEOs who actually viewed claims denials as a serious problem and wanted to change the company's image. (Dunno if that's hindsight company-spin bullshit or not.)

The point I'm making is that you don't just go shooting people for running a hideous, harmful company. B/c hey, why not gun down Bezos and Musk while we're at it, and the list goes on.

And finally, what does it accomplish? Do you really think the health insurance industry will change much b/c of this incident? I doubt it. They'll just have tighter security for corporate jerks. Even if you killed 10 of these fuckers.

And how much control did Mr. CEO have over United's claims denials? Not like that never happened before he was there. Not like it won't happen after. I hope I'm wrong, but...

Again, a one-month mass boycott of United premiums would make the shareholders cry way more than the death of a wholly replaceable CEO. Money clearly means more to them than human life. That's kind of the whole problem in the first place!

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 5:49 pm**

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 5:37 pmAll of these killers —regardless of their target, regardless of whether their intent is noble or misguided — think they're killing b/c it's "right" and for a greater good.

I don't know why you can't tell the difference between indiscriminate slaughter and targeted, justified excution. If your point is that all death is bad, then I have bad news for you; we're all going to die. Some of us have a choice as to how and when, but it's people like this CEO who decide when countless others will lose access to life. As someone else said, killing people like that is a form of self-defense.

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 5:37 pm B/c hey, why not gun down Bezos and Musk while we're at it, and the list goes on.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 6:05 pm**

A moral black hole.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 6:41 pm**

If you think normalizing murder is some kind of balm or even solution for your very real suffering, I don't know what to tell ya.
I'm not sure who you all think is going to get killed first if that happens.
It ain't billionaires.
And every one of us is massively overmatched. Whether you're already at risk or not.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:29 pm**

jeff fox wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:48 pm
Geiginni wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 6:09 pm I would argue that, by extension, any of us with a 401k, IRA, or mutual funds are just as complicit. How much of your retirement is tied up in healthcare? Insurance? Pharmaceuticals?
Yeah, the older you get, the older you realize that you are inside the pyramid scheme. It’s fucked.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:36 pm**

akosinski wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:29 pm
jeff fox wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:48 pm
Geiginni wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 6:09 pm I would argue that, by extension, any of us with a 401k, IRA, or mutual funds are just as complicit. How much of your retirement is tied up in healthcare? Insurance? Pharmaceuticals?
Yeah, the older you get, the older you realize that you are inside the pyramid scheme. It’s fucked.
so i am pretty high and tried to respond to jeff’s response but then accidentally deleted it and typed in my response but now it looks like jeff wrote my response so if it sounds smart remember i wrote it and if it sounds dumb that doofus jeff wrote it.

this topic fascinates me i understand the glee and feel it myself yet i also don’t feel angry about those who don’t feel the glee BUT cannot handle those that seem to be shocked that one would find the glee.

does that make sense?

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:36 pm**

we are through the looking glass, people.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:46 pm**

akosinski wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:36 pm so i am pretty high

it made sense to me

i am slightly drunk, sort of wishing i was high

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:47 pm**

eephus wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 6:41 pm If you think normalizing murder is some kind of balm or even solution for your very real suffering, I don't know what to tell ya.

Homie, it's already normalized in the form of war, policing, prison, capitol punishment, and limited access to healthcare, housing, food, and water. These are all things that can and do cause death, are socially accepted and legally sanctioned. While I believe that education and cross-cultural communication can improve some of our circumstances, there is no educating those whose livelihood and wealth depend on our exploitation and suffering. We aren't going to win over our oppressors by appealing to their compassion. Nothing is left but to either find a safe place to hide (which only the privileged can access) and look the other way while the misery continues), or to defend ourselves, or to die. I am lucky enough to have a place to hide, which is why I am not out merking the ruling class. But if you think that murder isn't already normalized and provided as a solution to many problems, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:48 pm**

akosinski wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:36 pm we are through the looking glass, people.

HoF.

This shit made my night.

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