dontfeartheringo wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 2:19 pm Lads, let's please remember that Serial Rapist and Predator Bill Clinton (I like to use his full title) divorced the Democratic Party from its roots in organized labor and working class concerns. Instead they embraced the Finance Bros, Big Tech, Big Pharma, China, and to a lesser degree, Hollywood money. And here we are: The Democratic Party is now a pinata stuffed with half-baked "welfare reform" efforts and a soggy culture war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way

New Labour and Tony Blair tailgated Clinton so closely that they followed the next President right into Iraq.

When you have a party devoid of any principles, you're forced to dance to whatever tune your opponent plays. The Republicans trumpet their nativist, racialist, homophobic platform, and the Democrats are left having to respond from a place with no firm anchor and zero policy achievements to point to. "At least we're not those guys" loses every time.

Most LibDems are aesthetically motivated. They don't disagree with deportations, technocratic domination, consumerism, and the abandonment of the working class, they just want to make sure it isn't done by a fat guy in a bad suit.

Useless.

dontfeartheringo wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 2:19 pm Most LibDems are aesthetically motivated. They don't disagree with deportations, technocratic domination, consumerism, and the abandonment of the working class, they just want to make sure it isn't done by a fat guy in a bad suit.

Useless.

Krev wrote:

dontfeartheringo wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 2:19 pm Most LibDems are aesthetically motivated. They don't disagree with deportations, technocratic domination, consumerism, and the abandonment of the working class, they just want to make sure it isn't done by a fat guy in a bad suit.

Useless.

Chuck Schumer in a nutshell.

losthighway wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 11:50 am There's something of a chicken-or-the-egg element to the prevalence of the culture war side of things. The right wing has been masterful at stoking racist, nativist, homophobic and transphobic sentiments, but perhaps even more so painting the left as somehow fringey or extreme in our defense against that kind of garbage. This takes up a lot of oxygen in the room because you find yourself passionately arguing about how people should be able to use whatever bathroom they feel comfortable in and broader policy keeps drifting out of focus. It doesn't need to be one, or the other, but something about our cultural situation allows one conversation to successfully eclipse issues that effect everyone.

Krev wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 9:22 am This 12-country ban was a (Stephen Miller) reactionary measure in response to the actions of an Egyptian national; Egypt is not one of the countries. Does Trump know that?

losthighway wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 9:49 am

Krev wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 9:22 am This 12-country ban was a (Stephen Miller) reactionary measure in response to the actions of an Egyptian national; Egypt is not one of the countries. Does Trump know that?

It's so fucking dumb. Imagine if halfway around the world one American ex-pat with a screw loose killed some people. Then that country's government would be like "No travelers from Canada, England, Ireland or France. These people are just too dangerous."

Curry Pervert wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 9:31 pm

losthighway wrote: Wed Jun 04, 2025 11:50 am There's something of a chicken-or-the-egg element to the prevalence of the culture war side of things. The right wing has been masterful at stoking racist, nativist, homophobic and transphobic sentiments, but perhaps even more so painting the left as somehow fringey or extreme in our defense against that kind of garbage. This takes up a lot of oxygen in the room because you find yourself passionately arguing about how people should be able to use whatever bathroom they feel comfortable in and broader policy keeps drifting out of focus. It doesn't need to be one, or the other, but something about our cultural situation allows one conversation to successfully eclipse issues that effect everyone.

^This. A very deliberate, well thought out strategy.

SEATTLE — The group that organized a takeover protest of a building on the University of Washington campus (last month) is demanding that the school's administration drop all charges and suspensions against people who participated.

Students United for Palestinian Equality and Return (SUPER UW) held a rally on campus Thursday, May 22, the day after UW announced it was suspending 21 students for the destructive protest.

We think it is shameful that they would be punished in an emergency suspension without due process," said James Lopez, who identified himself as an organizer of the rally. “I think it is sad that we are focusing on millions of dollars in damage to one building here and not the billions of dollars of damage and the hundreds of thousands of lives lost in Gaza.

SUPER UW said in a statement about the protest that it was in response to a "renewed wave of the student Intifada."

"The University of Washington is a direct partner in the genocide of the Palestinian people through its allegiance to its partnership with Boeing," a statement from UW said.

Monday's protest targeted the Interdisciplinary Engineering Building, which was built with a $10,000,000 donation from Boeing. Super UW said the occupation of the building would not end until their demands were met to repurpose the building and divest from Boeing.

Police shut down the protest within hours and arrested approximately 30 protesters.

University President Ana Marie Cauce quickly condemned the protest, which is estimated to have caused at least $1,000,000 in damage.

The University will not be intimidated by this sort of horrific and destructive behavior and will not engage in dialogue with any group using or condoning such destructive tactics," Cauce said in a statement. "We are working with law enforcement and through our disciplinary processes to ensure those responsible face appropriate consequences for their actions. And we will continue to stand strong against violent and illegal activities that create a hostile environment for any members of our community.
University officials told KOMO News that SUPER UW is under suspension and does not have the benefits of a registered student organization, which includes reserving rooms on campus, but the group is not barred from using public areas of the campus.

"The UW is an open, public campus that must uphold the freedom of speech and expression enshrined in the U.S. Constitution," UW spokesperson Victor Balta said in an email.

During Thursday's rally on campus, Chabad UW set up a tent in Red Square.

“We hope that by being here Jewish students feel safe, confident, and comfortable to be Jewish," Rabbi Mendel Weingarten said.