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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:05 pm
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:32 pm
Are you trying to link to the Kirstie Allsop thread?
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:11 pm
But lamp posts were damaged by the plane. Hell, one fell atop a taxi cab.
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:45 pm
Rick Reuben wrote:I've seen the lamp posts. Show me the evidence that a plane caused the damage. You can tell me that people saw a plane, but there are people who see UFO's, too. People see all kinds of things.Dr. Geek wrote:But lamp posts were damaged by the plane. Hell, one fell atop a taxi cab.
So the 40+ people that saw a plane approaching the Pentagon are delusional. Gotcha.
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 6:03 pm
OK, at most a security camera would take 30 frames a second. Planes are very fast. The cameras are probably digital and old, which would mean the exposure would likely be a full frame. You expect a security camera, focused on a specific area, to catch an image of a fast moving plane? Please. I'd trust the 40 plus CIA plants... I mean citizens, more than those cameras.
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 6:08 pm
Rick Reuben wrote:So the 90+ cameras that should have seen a plane approaching the Pentagon all missed it. Gotcha.
We don't know what is on those tapes, though, since we've both agreed that the FBI seizing security tapes is suspect.
Where we don't agree is on the eye-witness accounts of 40+ people that saw a 757 approach the Pentagon. You discredit their accounts as akin to those that see UFOs. I have no reason to doubt that 40+ people from different vantage points saw a 757 (with a near exact description!) approach the Pentagon. There is no evidence of their conspiring to spread a lie. There is no reason for their doing such a thing.
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 7:31 pm
Hmm... I just had an idea. Find me a close range security camera video of a plane not coming in for a landing. Find me a video of a modern skyscraper destroyed by something like a plane impact/intense heat that does not end like a controlled detonation. Then I'll consider that there might be a conspiracy.
In the mean time, I'll research blast furnaces and steel melting.
In the mean time, I'll research blast furnaces and steel melting.
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:53 am
Rick Reuben wrote:What are you talking about? We know exactly where the cameras from the VA DOT and from the hotel were pointed: the alleged flight path. So we do know what should be on those tapes.Dr. Geek wrote:We don't know what is on those tapes, though.
You're just repeating my earlier claim. We know what should be on the tapes, except we don't know what is one the tapes since the tapes were seized and we have not seen the footage therein. I'm glad you agree with me.
State your opinion about why these tapes have not been released.
I have no idea why they have not been released. In any case, the lack of release is suspect.
Rick Reuben wrote:What?? Who are you to decide which witnesses are credible and which aren't?Dr. Geek wrote: You discredit their accounts as akin to those that see UFOs.
You are the one calling into question the eyewitness accounts of those that saw a plane approach the Pentagon; I'm not. All the evidence I have seen of a plane hitting the Pentagon corroborates the eyewitness accounts.
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:55 am
Rick Reuben wrote:You have no clue what you are talking about. There were cameras distributed all over the nearby highway and on rooftops in the vicinity. We are not talking about the kinds of cameras that take your picture at an ATM or when you buy a Slurpee. A camera that took 30 frames a second would capture a plane swooping in from a quarter mile away. Many cameras had sufficent distance from a speeding object ( plane ) that they would have filmed the speeding object's approach to the Pentagon just like the many cameras that filmed the plane striking the South Tower.jpardey wrote:OK, at most a security camera would take 30 frames a second. Planes are very fast. The cameras are probably digital and old, which would mean the exposure would likely be a full frame..
If this video does not exist, then why did the FBI confiscate it?
I can't believe that in 2008 pople are still making the argument that the goddamn Pentagon might not have had full surveillance on all five sides.
WTF does 'The cameras are probably digital and old' even mean? Like what? 1969-era digital cameras?? WTF?
Ok, I don't know why I thought digital. Still, security cameras would be electronic. Not film. Probably not fast exposure wise. So, about these cameras:
How many were pointed at the flight path? At the distance, what was the angular speed of the plane, relative the cameras? How often were shots taken? And why would there be security cameras pointed at the sky? I can think of a lot of better places to point cameras than at the sky. Like at doors and windows, places that SECURITY CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT. For missiles and planes, there's NORAD and crap. Why would the tapes be seized? Oh, I don't know, but maybe fucked up secrets acts? Maybe to get people to ignore the war and global warming and the end of cheap oil and focus on the tapes? If there was nothing on the tapes, the gov't could attribute it to, like I did, long exposure times and planes that are a lot faster when they are moving than when they are landing. And if a plane engine wouldn't have just vaporized on contact, why couldn't "they" use their seemingly endless resources to scatter a few jet parts about?
So, let me get this straight:
- Buying 40+ witnesses
Knocking over telephone poles discretely
Setting up controlled explosives in a way that the staff at the Pentagon does not notice
Not just releasing edited tapes
- A plane flies into the Pentagon. Tapes are seized, and held as required by official secret acts
Sure, the American government isn't great, and I don't trust it. This, however, just seems ridiculous. There would be easier ways to get into Iraq.