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A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:12 pm I find cyclists fucking impossible, but that reads like a shit driver to me.

enframed wrote: That person should not be on a bike. I fail to understand how that person fell. Driver didn't seem to me to be going to fast or too close to the cyclists. Even seems to have moved over to give some space.

Well I guess these two responses show that we all see things differently.

@enframed: they fell because the pedals have those clips over the top of your foot and they couldn't get their foot out quick enough when the rider in front came to a halt. Totally their own fault and I would further say a danger to themselves and others and totally should not be allowed on the roads.

The problem with cyclists probably is that you don't have to learn any traffic rules to get on a bike.

Taking driving lessons made me a much better cyclist (and pedestrian).

The person in the video is a doofus. You could see that car coming from a long way. Plenty of time to prepare.

kokorodoko wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:37 pm The problem with cyclists probably is that you don't have to learn any traffic rules to get on a bike.

Is that true? Mental if so.

It's amazing how cyclists find ways to do your head in, even in cities designed to accommodate them. There isn't a week goes by that I don't end up having to cunt one off.

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:46 pm

kokorodoko wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:37 pm The problem with cyclists probably is that you don't have to learn any traffic rules to get on a bike.

Is that true? Mental if so.

Yeah I mean it's not like there's a license requirement. So most probably know nothing beyond stop at red lights and drive on the right side of the road.

kokorodoko wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:52 pmSo most probably know nothing beyond stop at red lights...

Yeah, good luck with that from them.

Curry Pervert wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:23 pm @enframed: they fell because the pedals have those clips over the top of your foot and they couldn't get their foot out quick enough when the rider in front came to a halt. Totally their own fault and I would further say a danger to themselves and others and totally should not be allowed on the roads.

That’s wrong. It takes a fraction of a second to disengage from a cleat, and if you’re in a panic - and I have been a couple of times - plain wrenching the shoe out works fast.

I’m disheartened that this thread has become the Daily Mail’s guide to cyclists.

enframed wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:13 pmThat person should not be on a bike. I fail to understand how that person fell. Driver didn't seem to me to be going to fast or too close to the cyclists. Even seems to have moved over to give some space.

The rider was a little clumsy, perhaps, but that car was maybe less than an open door width of those riders, who seemed to be taking it gently. They were riding single-file, the weather looked crappy, and the rider who fell might have been unsighted and startled. That’s a single-track country lane, and if you’re heading in the opposite direction to anyone - cyclist, pedestrians, another vehicle, you should slow down and give more space that that driver did.

£1000 is harsh.

kokorodoko wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:52 pm

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:46 pm

kokorodoko wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:37 pm The problem with cyclists probably is that you don't have to learn any traffic rules to get on a bike.

Is that true? Mental if so.

Yeah I mean it's not like there's a license requirement. So most probably know nothing beyond stop at red lights and drive on the right side of the road.

While true that there is no license requirement for bicycle riding specifically, I bet that person knows how to drive and has passed a written and driving test.

AFAIK, the rules of the road are the rules of the road, the exception being that automobiles are to yield to cyclists and pedestrians, which, I personally think is a dumb rule. If we want to reduce greenhouse gases and save the planet everything else should yield to automobiles. There'd be far less idling.

biscuitdough wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:25 am Male cyclists who wear performance banana-sling garb, act aggrieved when you don't sufficiently cowtow to their supreme speed and competency, and swoop by slow cyclists unnecessarily close to "let them know" are assholes.

FYP

enframed wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:50 pm

kokorodoko wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:52 pm

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:46 pm

Is that true? Mental if so.

Yeah I mean it's not like there's a license requirement. So most probably know nothing beyond stop at red lights and drive on the right side of the road.

While true that there is no license requirement for bicycle riding specifically, I bet that person knows how to drive and has passed a written and driving test.

AFAIK, the rules of the road are the rules of the road, the exception being that automobiles are to yield to cyclists and pedestrians, which, I personally think is a dumb rule. If we want to reduce greenhouse gases and save the planet everything else should yield to automobiles. There'd be far less idling.

True but in the US anyways NOBODY learns the rules. They will wear full body armor before they ride safely or use hand signals. And the cops don’t bother. In Denmark, where cycling is very popular it is not at all uncommon to see cops handing out tickets to cyclists for failing to use lights, signalling, etc…it can get a bit tyrannical at times, because bike commuters expect even kids to be in compliance at all times.