NerblyBear wrote:

scott wrote:

NerblyBear wrote:When he says, "I won't hesitate to 'put ethics' on someone else because I ruthlessly put them on myself," what is he talking about?

Ratting people out for breaking the rules?

I thought this was pretty obvious. He doesn't hesitate to have high moral standards for others, because he has high moral standards for himself. He demands adherence to a strict ethical code in his own life. He also has ethical expectations that he projects onto others.

Seems kinda obvious and also very rational and reasonable to say and do.

Um, no. Using that phrase "to put ethics on" is not how normal, non-cult people speak -- indeed, it doesn't make any sense at all in any other setting. All cults use some phrase to refer to how they keep other members in line, whether that be "caning" or whatever.

This is cult-speak. If a member breaks one of Scientology's rules, he's ready to make them feel ashamed for doing so. This is how I interpret that weird statement.

so you're saying you've never heard common expressions like "don't put all your bullshit on me" used to describe the process of projection?

and you're saying that Tom Cruise relentlessly punishes himself for breaking Scientology's rules?

hrm.

trilonaut wrote:

frelnamp wrote:My understanding of how Scientology works is that you re-experience all your past traumas until they become "neutral" memories with no emotional charge.

sounds dehumanizing.

Doesn't sound that much different from Psychiatry, where you examine past traumas and better integrate them into your psyche, and deal with them in a more coherent way.

I'm not sure I understand why Scientology is so opposed to Psychiatry. Maybe because it's the competition?

The one person I've known who was involved in Scientology was a complete out and out idiot. I've posted about this before, but I don't feel like digging it up.

Mark Hansen wrote:I'm not sure I understand why Scientology is so opposed to Psychiatry. Maybe because it's the competition?

They are also deeply opposed to philosophy, because it teaches the ability to think logically, and thus realise that Scientology is farcical bunk.

To me, he sounds more stream of concious than incoherent. The obvious editing doesn't help either.

I'm not sure if his dyslexia really has anything to do with it. Some people (myself for one) aren't very expressive verbally, or at least don't focus as well when expressing themselves verbally.

simmo wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:I'm not sure I understand why Scientology is so opposed to Psychiatry. Maybe because it's the competition?

They are also deeply opposed to philosophy, because it teaches the ability to think logically, and thus realise that Scientology is farcical bunk.

True, they don't really want you thinking in an open-ended way. Their methods are more one of indoctrination, than teaching or thinking.

Mark Hansen wrote:To me, he sounds more stream of concious than incoherent. The obvious editing doesn't help either.

I'm not sure if his dyslexia really has anything to do with it. Some people (myself for one) aren't very expressive verbally, or at least don't focus as well when expressing themselves verbally.

And some people are borderline-insane dingbats. I think you know which one Cruise is.

Has it ever occurred to anyone else that the two most famous $cientologists in the world are both closeted homosexuals who dropped out of high school? Just sayin' ...

scott wrote:

NerblyBear wrote:When he says, "I won't hesitate to 'put ethics' on someone else because I ruthlessly put them on myself," what is he talking about?

Ratting people out for breaking the rules?

I thought this was pretty obvious. He doesn't hesitate to have high moral standards for others, because he has high moral standards for himself. He demands adherence to a strict ethical code in his own life. He also has ethical expectations that he projects onto others.

Seems kinda obvious and also very rational and reasonable to say and do.

It is not rational or reasonable to demand adherence to the same strict moral code for all people. This, coupled with Tom's free use of jargon like KWST (of whatever it was) and SP (not to mention his own admission that it's all or nothing in his judgment), show that he's interested in condemning and controlling people. Fuck that.

scott wrote:

NerblyBear wrote:"Look, I wish the world was a different place. I wish I could go on vacation and...romp and play...and just...do that, you know what I mean. I mean...that's how I'd like it to be. But I can't. Because...I know...I know...so...." :?

He's saying he longs for the day when there isn't so much work to be done, the day when the world has already been healed and everything is all good. But as it is, the world is a crazy fucked up place, and there's no time for just lazying about; there's too much work to be done. "I know" is him saying that he's been woken up and is aware of what a broken place humanity really is.

I thought this stuff was all pretty clear and obvious.

Cruise is expressing a common sentiment of those who are self-professed messiahs. He says there's no time for rest because the world's a fucked up place? The world has always been a fucked up place. I can guarantee you that it will continue to be a fucked up place for the rest of my life and TC's life no matter what he or I will do. So he's advocating an unsustainable lifestyle that results in either hypocrisy or fanaticism. Sorry - I prefer to take my life advice from those who give me a better sense of how to live and make a difference in the world that I actually live in. When someone tells me that only infidels take a vacation, I am not interested.

I don't care how happy he seems. People who behave the way he does are bad folk. He's interested in controlling those who agree with his worldview and condemning those who don't. Give someone like that some power and they will harm others. Fuck that. Scientologists are right to try and sue the shit out of Gawker for exposing this stuff - people recoil from it through dread or laughter. Good for them.

= Justin

I wasn't aware that Scientology involved so much macho posturing.

dontfeartheringo wrote:I wasn't aware that Scientology involved so much macho posturing.

Almost as much as being in a rock band.