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madlee wrote:The weird thing is that Arum represents both fighters. I think he realizes that Floyd will never fight Manny and therefore he has constructed this to make his payday. Arum is slimy and I wouldn't be surprised he paid off the judges. He already has the rematch for November.Yeah, but there's still no reason for him to screw his biggest cash cow over. He represented Cotto, Margarito, and Clottey, when they fought Pacquaio as well. He's greedy but why would he jeopardize a possible fight with Mayweather which would bring him more money than Pacquaio-Bradley II or Bradley against anybody? Bradley doesn't have a very large fan base and, despite the exposure he just received, being awarded a decision he had no business winning is no way to build one. I do understand where you're coming from, though. Awful decisions in boxing are a dime a dozen but awful decisions that go against the star fighter are exceedingly rare. I'm hard pressed to think another one quite like this. It boggles the mind.

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madlee wrote:I think Hopkins has been the victim of several questionable verdicts: the first Jermain Taylor fight, and the Calzaghe fights come to mind immediately...I don't think anybody but Hopkins would call those questionable. They were close fights that could've gone either way. (For the record I believe I scored both Taylor fights for Hopkins and gave Calzaghe the nod in that fight.)madlee wrote:I guess regarding this verdict, who stands to gain by this decision?Manny is going to retire soon in about a year or so and I think everyone involved has come to the realization that Mayweather will never fight him, especially now that his money problems have gone away. Manny has already fought everyone near his weight class. The only other person is Sergio Martinez, but he'd have to come down a bit in weight.Other than that, Bradley was the scary new guy and Manny was willing to fight him. Manny was even willing to fight the much larger Margarito and he severely damaged him, essentially ending his career.So, with no prospects, and a window closing, you have to wonder if Arum manufactured a rivalry here. Manny's record was already blemished and so a loss doesn't really mean anything. I saw his face after the fight. Looked untouched.There are a number of problems here. Who knows how close Pacquiao is to retiring? He talks about it a lot but so do a lot of boxers who end up sticking around for a long time anyway or make a comeback after a brief retirement. (A brief list would include Erik Morales, Tito Trinidad, Roberto Duran, Tommy Hearns, Ray Leonard and the aforementioned Hopkins whose first farewell fight was six years ago.) He's still at the very least the number two draw in the sport. Plus, he has plenty of prospects, the hugest being Mayweather, however likely that fight is at this point. But off the top of my head there's also Saul Alvarez, Amir Khan, a forth fight with Marquez, even Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. who's a Arum house fighter Arum might be ready to cash out. All of them are bigger draws then Bradley. Besides, if Manny can draw huge numbers against Joshua Clottey he can do it against just about anybody. He doesn't need a huge b-side.Another problem with your scenario is that it almost certainly requires Pacquiao be in on it. Arum wouldn't bother trying to bribe the judges when he had to know there was a good chance Pacquiao could knock Bradley out. Bradley had been put on queer street by lesser punchers like Kendall Holt before so there was always the distinct possibility that Pac-man might KO him. He did have Bradley buzzed a few times and if he'd stepped on the gas a little more he might've gotten him out of there. So, who does that leave to benefit who has a great deal of influence? The only person I can think of is Bradley's powerful manager Cameron Dunkin. Now, I'm not accusing him of anything; chances are that incompetence was the real culprit. But Dunkin is a more likely suspect for conspiracy theories as far as I'm concerned.

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Clyde wrote:madlee wrote:The weird thing is that Arum represents both fighters. I think he realizes that Floyd will never fight Manny and therefore he has constructed this to make his payday. Arum is slimy and I wouldn't be surprised he paid off the judges. He already has the rematch for November.Yeah, but there's still no reason for him to screw his biggest cash cow over. He represented Cotto, Margarito, and Clottey, when they fought Pacquaio as well. He's greedy but why would he jeopardize a possible fight with Mayweather which would bring him more money than Pacquaio-Bradley II or Bradley against anybody? Bradley doesn't have a very large fan base and, despite the exposure he just received, being awarded a decision he had no business winning is no way to build one. I do understand where you're coming from, though. Awful decisions in boxing are a dime a dozen but awful decisions that go against the star fighter are exceedingly rare. I'm hard pressed to think another one quite like this. It boggles the mind.I think Hopkins has been the victim of several questionable verdicts: the first Jermain Taylor fight, and the Calzaghe fights come to mind immediately...I guess regarding this verdict, who stands to gain by this decision?Manny is going to retire soon in about a year or so and I think everyone involved has come to the realization that Mayweather will never fight him, especially now that his money problems have gone away. Manny has already fought everyone near his weight class. The only other person is Sergio Martinez, but he'd have to come down a bit in weight.Other than that, Bradley was the scary new guy and Manny was willing to fight him. Manny was even willing to fight the much larger Margarito and he severely damaged him, essentially ending his career.So, with no prospects, and a window closing, you have to wonder if Arum manufactured a rivalry here. Manny's record was already blemished and so a loss doesn't really mean anything. I saw his face after the fight. Looked untouched.
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Sport: Boxing Boxing?

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eephour wrote:For once, I was hoping Larry Merchant would be there to get to the bottom of that debacle.You get your wishInterviewer:Is this decision bad for boxing?Merchant: Well it is not good for boxing, but there is a script in boxing that takes controversy to a higher level where people are suspicious that a sinister force is afoot. Boxing has brought that on itself, it has long been thought of as the red light district of sports, and so sometimes there are people who only take notice when there is controversy. I don't see anyone taking notice that the Celtics and the Heat went seven games when the Celtics had a chance to close it out in Game 6. If that happened in boxing, people would be looking at what the motives were. That's just what boxing is and how it is viewed and I don't take it personally and I don't think boxing does either. I don't think it is the final bell on boxing, something sort of like this happens in boxing every while, some outrageous thing that is unique to boxing. http://queensberry-rules.com/2012-artic ... quiao.html

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Clyde wrote:madlee wrote:Manny is supposedly running for president. I don't think he'll be coming back after he retires. I wonder how much his recent "spiritual rebirth" is about that.That wouldn't be until 2016 at the very earliest, and only for VP then.Good info. I had no idea.http://blogs.wsj.com/searealtime/2012/0 ... ilippines/
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