The only thing more annoying than the garbage music itself is being told “let the kids enjoy things.”
Fuck that, talking shit about terrible music is fun and satisfying.
They’re not “doing it wrong”. They’re doing it badly. No hooks, no songs, nothing memorable. Just ironically detached, forced enthusiasm. That’s what most of these bands I despise have in common. Until now, every generation’s music has sounded like noise and screaming to their parents. Not anymore. Everything now is a softer version of something that’s already been done. 80’s soft rock done unironically (though doing it ironically isn’t any better). My young nephew played me some horrid garbage and explained how innovative it was because it was “combining genres”. No curiosity about what has or hasn’t already been done to death.

I don't care much at all for the newer sort of "it" bands that get talked up in the likes of Brooklyn Vegan.

Nonetheless, I'm still able to find new music I like. It just tends not to be in the same vein as what I might have been more susceptible and amenable to as a younger person.

I will concede that some of this recent music that I don't feel drawn to might be more compelling in a live/social context.

I will also concede--more importantly--that I don't think bands from younger generations, or bands roughly our age who blow up among the younger generations, should be that concerned with what aging rock dudes and Professional Record Collectors™ think of their music. I mean, we probably aren't gonna be the target market for, like, catty-bratty indie crapola or pop music with trap beats and autotune or anthemic melodic hardcore with synth crescendos.

Given the state of the world, people should like what they like, and probably not apologize for it. Even if it makes me roll my eyes. Even if it makes me feel nothing.

penningtron wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:46 pm An aside, but since they were lumped in I'm pretty sure some of those IDLES dudes are nearly my age..

I just looked it up and I’m 4 or 5 years older than the singer from Turnstile.

I do like this band, but I was never a hardcore guy. I was the one playing my hardcore friends the VSS and telling them that it was better than whatever was on the slam dance videos they were showing me, probably not mentioning Pleasure Forever.

Yeah I nearly mentioned Gel (who I guess broke up recently). Not at all what I'm looking for out of music in 2025, but at least it doesn't seem desperate to appeal to everyone.

And I mostly don't care what the kids are up to but the new Lifeguard album is quite good.

This is turning into a “mainstream alternative music isn’t as good as it was”

This plays into my theory that culture froze in 99.

I walk down the street in central London and “the kids” literally still look like the kids from Kids…. And not curving your ball cap doesn’t count as a fundamental cultural difference.

Gramsci wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 8:03 am This plays into my theory that culture froze in 99.

I walk down the street in central London and “the kids” literally still look like the kids from Kids…. And not curving your ball cap doesn’t count as a fundamental cultural difference.

Dude, my 12yo daughter wanted this for her end of year present for doing good in school.



I have never been as proud as a parent.

Gramsci wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 8:03 am This is turning into a “mainstream alternative music isn’t as good as it was”

This plays into my theory that culture froze in 99.

I walk down the street in central London and “the kids” literally still look like the kids from Kids…. And not curving your ball cap doesn’t count as a fundamental cultural difference.

These bands aren't much worse than Bush, Limp Bizkit, etc. from that era of mainstream rock. But to hear what's basically Maroon 5 over cast-off Madball riffs hailed as the apotheosis of hardcore bums me out. And I'm not some grizzled old punk guy who would lecture kids on why their music blows.

I remember being a big Interpol fan when the first record came out and being bummed out by all the older guys calling them out. They didn’t turn out to be wrong, but that first record basically holds up, though the early 2000s indie stadium guitar moves (looking at you, the Walkmen) are way more obvious now than they were at the time. I think it was recorded really, really well though. It all eventually becomes the same music industry/festival economy fluff.

What I’ve heard from Wet Leg has nothing to do with hardcore btw. This thread is about Turnstile.

penningtron wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:10 am And I mostly don't care what the kids are up to but the new Lifeguard album is quite good.

They just keep getting better. Love the new Horsegirl record too.

Check out Hayes Noble. They are doing dope shit.

llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:19 am I remember being a big Interpol fan when the first record came out and being bummed out by all the older guys calling them out. They didn’t turn out to be wrong, but that first record basically holds up, though the early 2000s indie stadium guitar moves (looking at you, the Walkmen) are way more obvious now than they were at the time. I think it was recorded really, really well though. It all eventually becomes the same music industry/festival economy fluff.

What I’ve heard from Wet Leg has nothing to do with hardcore btw. This thread is about Turnstile.

Going completely off piste is what we do!

Turnstile blow. It looks like Influencer Music. All their shows look like someone from marketing decided endlessly stage diving teenagers looks cool on a TikTok