pldms wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:55 am
If Jada had slapped him this would all be much simpler, and many columnist would have something better to do.
From the little bit of the "Big Picture..." that I have accidentally caught?
She does not roll that way. She is apparently the "Hurt 'Em Mentally..." type.
Hahahahahaha.
Re: Crap/Not Crap: Will Smith assaulting Chris Rock on stage at the Oscars
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:57 am
by Happyman
ChudFusk wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:38 am
But Jada is a constant target for harassment, including from Chris Rock,
I don't know a lot about her, but isn't she a "target" the same way Gwyneth Paltrow and Tom Cruise are?
I know Chris made a joke about her and Will 6 years ago. Is that what you mean? That one was funny. The one about boycotting Rihannas panties? The core of it was him mocking her and Will's inflated egos and sense of entitlement.
Will Smith's publicist had him apologise to Chris while condemning his own actions/violence. I'm not sure where that leaves everyone saying he did the righteous honest thing and is the hero of the world.
Re: Crap/Not Crap: Will Smith assaulting Chris Rock on stage at the Oscars
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:26 am
by DaveA
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Re: Crap/Not Crap: Will Smith assaulting Chris Rock on stage at the Oscars
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:59 pm
by ChudFusk
This might be the best thing to come of it:
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Re: Crap/Not Crap: Will Smith assaulting Chris Rock on stage at the Oscars
You gonna tell that man that hitting the racist was not OK?
Minstrel shows were once "just a joke." Change doesn't happen until people are too scared not to change, and if all it takes is a slap then I'd say it's a slap well spent. For the record, I don't think women need protection from words, or that violence is always the solution to hurt feelings. But Jada is a constant target for harassment, including from Chris Rock, and this was the biggest platform on which Will Smith could have made it clear not to fuck with her any more. Yes he should have done that with words, but bullies rarely respond to reason.
Here's another black person's perspective on this, which some of you need to hear because I'm definitely seeing a culturally uhmm *narrow* perspective.
Re: Crap/Not Crap: Will Smith assaulting Chris Rock on stage at the Oscars
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:57 am
by losthighway
^ Man, that shit gets complicated. As I read one guy's take I felt a little skeptical that anyone would describe Smith's reaction as the "black" thing to do. Then I saw all of the white guys commenting the same on the guy's post, which doesn't work very well.
I still think it gets tricky when someone sources one POC take on something. I can imagine a second voice countering "Maybe in your house, not mine" etc.
I will say cultural explanations for violence seem to take away some individual agency.
This explains to me why this kind of event becomes a phenomenon. It's a pop culture exercise in ethics, social science etc.
Re: Crap/Not Crap: Will Smith assaulting Chris Rock on stage at the Oscars
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:35 am
by enframed
losthighway wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:57 am
^ Man, that shit gets complicated. As I read one guy's take I felt a little skeptical that anyone would describe Smith's reaction as the "black" thing to do. Then I saw all of the white guys commenting the same on the guy's post, which doesn't work very well.
I still think it gets tricky when someone sources one POC take on something. I can imagine a second voice countering "Maybe in your house, not mine" etc.
I will say cultural explanations for violence seem to take away some individual agency.
This explains to me why this kind of event becomes a phenomenon. It's a pop culture exercise in ethics, social science etc.
Yeah, I don't buy the "This is how we do it" line either. That kind of reasoning can be used to excuse any kind of behavior that otherwise ought not be accepted or tolerated.
Re: Crap/Not Crap: Will Smith assaulting Chris Rock on stage at the Oscars
You gonna tell that man that hitting the racist was not OK?
Minstrel shows were once "just a joke." Change doesn't happen until people are too scared not to change, and if all it takes is a slap then I'd say it's a slap well spent. For the record, I don't think women need protection from words, or that violence is always the solution to hurt feelings. But Jada is a constant target for harassment, including from Chris Rock, and this was the biggest platform on which Will Smith could have made it clear not to fuck with her any more. Yes he should have done that with words, but bullies rarely respond to reason.
Here's another black person's perspective on this, which some of you need to hear because I'm definitely seeing a culturally uhmm *narrow* perspective.