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Re: Politics
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2026 7:23 am
by losthighway
Frankie99 wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 12:10 am
I voted for her, my wife voted for him in this primary. I like her a lot, she has flaws. They all do. But again, they're a means to an end. A pawn. Usable parts.
He seems to have a knack for taking the "What would Jesus do?" question and repeatedly clarify that it would be nothing the Republicans are doing. Many of us non-believers have put little thought into Christian leftism, but I've started to realize it's a logical read on the religion and could harness millions of churchy folk into doing some real good.
Re: Politics
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:12 am
by twelvepoint
It kind of melts my mind to wonder what has gone so wrong with elections and the democrats over the last decade. I really don’t know if it’s lack of appeal to people who want real progressive changes, or whether it’s a lack of connection with undecided - and probably low information- voters. Probably both? But does appealing to the former demographic alienate the latter, or vice versa? And if so, will it code an election? Arrggh, my mind is melting again.
Re: Politics
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:23 am
by Frankie99
losthighway wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 7:23 am
Frankie99 wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 12:10 am
I voted for her, my wife voted for him in this primary. I like her a lot, she has flaws. They all do. But again, they're a means to an end. A pawn. Usable parts.
He seems to have a knack for taking the "What would Jesus do?" question and repeatedly clarify that it would be nothing the Republicans are doing. Many of us non-believers have put little thought into Christian leftism, but I've started to realize it's a logical read on the religion and could harness millions of churchy folk into doing some real good.
Which I find stupid, simple, and annoying. But I'll take it over the alternative.
Re: Politics
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:25 am
by Gramsci
Good grief that alcoholic in charge of the US military is an absolute cringe merchant.
Re: Politics
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:26 am
by Frankie99
twelvepoint wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:12 am
It kind of melts my mind to wonder what has gone so wrong with elections and the democrats over the last decade. I really don’t know if it’s lack of appeal to people who want real progressive changes, or whether it’s a lack of connection with undecided - and probably low information- voters. Probably both? But does appealing to the former demographic alienate the latter, or vice versa? And if so, will it code an election? Arrggh, my mind is melting again.
Every moderate I know is more afraid of moving to the left because they're convinced it will hurt them financially. It's almost pavlovian for moderates to align with the right out of fear.
They want the change, they don't want the pain. They may not actually want the change.
Re: Politics
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:30 am
by gotdamn
twelvepoint wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:12 am
It kind of melts my mind to wonder what has gone so wrong with elections and the democrats over the last decade. I really don’t know if it’s lack of appeal to people who want real progressive changes, or whether it’s a lack of connection with undecided - and probably low information- voters. Probably both? But does appealing to the former demographic alienate the latter, or vice versa? And if so, will it code an election? Arrggh, my mind is melting again.
What? They're undemocratic and more worried about donors keeping the cash flow than winning elections. This is the party who shut out a populist candidate in Bernie Sanders and outright refused to have a primary in a pivotal election against a convicted felon out for revenge.
The problem is at the top, the voters know what they want.
Re: Politics
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:43 am
by Gramsci
Frankie99 wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:26 am
twelvepoint wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:12 am
It kind of melts my mind to wonder what has gone so wrong with elections and the democrats over the last decade. I really don’t know if it’s lack of appeal to people who want real progressive changes, or whether it’s a lack of connection with undecided - and probably low information- voters. Probably both? But does appealing to the former demographic alienate the latter, or vice versa? And if so, will it code an election? Arrggh, my mind is melting again.
Every moderate I know is more afraid of moving to the left because they're convinced it will hurt them financially. It's almost pavlovian for moderates to align with the right out of fear.
They want the change, they don't want the pain. They may not actually want the change.
This exactly the same as the UK. People find it hard to see an alternative.
But just historically centrists will always pivot right in the face of a left wing alternative. Even embracing fascism if necessary to maintain their position.
Re: Politics
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2026 9:12 am
by Lu Zwei
Frankie99 wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:26 am
Every moderate I know is more afraid of moving to the left because they're convinced it will hurt them financially. It's almost pavlovian for moderates to align with the right out of fear.
They want the change, they don't want the pain. They may not actually want the change.
But how exactly will it hurt them financially? Can you come up with one solid example?
Re: Politics
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2026 9:15 am
by Lu Zwei
Gramsci wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:43 am
But just historically centrists will always pivot right in the face of a left wing alternative. Even embracing fascism if necessary to maintain their position.
There is no centrism. There is right and there is left, and then there is right that pretends to have a conscience and empathy. But not too much.
Re: Politics
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2026 9:15 am
by Frankie99
Me? I'm not making that argument, I think it's a stupid argument and the money they're worried about is fake.
When I explain the position of the opposition, it's not because I find it compelling. If it were compelling I'd agree with and pursue it.
People make bad decisions with bad info all the time. No change here.