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Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:30 am**

four_oclocker_2.2 wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:15 pm I feel like the Catalinbread Cloak is what I'm feeling after sound/function-wise, but damn if only it had the EXP input...

Well if there's one you like, what you could do would be a Boss LS-2 + a volume pedal and the cloak in the loop. This would be fine for recording but a lot of space taken up on your pedalboard and probably an additional $100 to the cost if you don't own those components already.

It also would not allow you to add just the shimmer if that's what you were looking to do, which I could see that being a totally useful function...but to work around THAT you could have a normal reverb outside the loop.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:05 am**

Garth wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:30 am
four_oclocker_2.2 wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:15 pm I feel like the Catalinbread Cloak is what I'm feeling after sound/function-wise, but damn if only it had the EXP input...
Well if there's one you like, what you could do would be a Boss LS-2 + a volume pedal and the cloak in the loop. This would be fine for recording but a lot of space taken up on your pedalboard and probably an additional $100 to the cost if you don't own those components already.

It also would not allow you to add just the shimmer if that's what you were looking to do, which I could see that being a totally useful function...but to work around THAT you could have a normal reverb outside the loop.

I think you can do this with the Alexander Sky 5000 using an expression pedal for the Morph. It has a knob for shimmer (in +1 or -1 mode the reverb knob acts a strength of octave effect). You can morph between a setting with zero shimmer and a setting with the max amount of shimmer you want. Or you could morph between a non shimmer mode and shimmer...

https://www.alexanderpedals.com/shop/sky5000

Manual: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... Manual.pdf

EDIT: Actually, the Space Race might be an even better choice if you don't want the option of simultaneous delay (or not) and more reverb algorithms. You can morph between Tweak setting in the Shimmer mode. Andy does it at the end of his demo of it.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:23 pm**

Could you send a headphone signal and instrument signal through the same cable? Or would the lightly-amplified signal coming from a headphone amp screw this up? My concern is that if it were like 4 or 5 conductor cable, there would be interference of some kind since nothing would be shielded from each other in this instance.

I'm basically trying to solution a way to get an in-ear signal and guitar output on the same cord w/ out something as wonky as zip ties & two cables (doesn't coil nicely and feels like too much stress on the cable). Two separate cables is strangely way more tripping hazard than the math would suggest, but everyone who's tracked in headphones in a studio knows this already.

This cable does exactly what I want but gets bad reviews for longevity (which should be zero surprise considering who owns this company now). I was thinking 5 pin XLR on both ends into the smallest possible splitter box. So clipped to guitar strap or belt, the guitar would have a short plug-in and then the in-ears too & the multi-conductor cable sends it down to the pedal board side, there to be split back out in to the pedalboard for the guitar and the headphone amp.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:25 pm**

Garth wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:23 pm Could you send a headphone signal and instrument signal through the same cable? Or would the lightly-amplified signal coming from a headphone amp screw this up? My concern is that if it were like 4 or 5 conductor cable, there would be interference of some kind since nothing would be shielded from each other in this instance.

I'm basically trying to solution a way to get an in-ear signal and guitar output on the same cord w/ out something as wonky as zip ties & two cables (doesn't coil nicely and feels like too much stress on the cable). Two separate cables is strangely way more tripping hazard than the math would suggest, but everyone who's tracked in headphones in a studio knows this already.

This cable does exactly what I want but gets bad reviews for longevity (which should be zero surprise considering who owns this company now). I was thinking 5 pin XLR on both ends into the smallest possible splitter box. So clipped to guitar strap or belt, the guitar would have a short plug-in and then the in-ears too & the multi-conductor cable sends it down to the pedal board side, there to be split back out in to the pedalboard for the guitar and the headphone amp.

you can get cable with pairs that are independently shielded - if it's stranded, longevity may be okay.

Something like this, but look for braided shield instead of the foil - but if it's flexible enough for automation, should be good for you
https://www.wireandcableyourway.com/18- ... -600-1000v

Try the 5 conductor single shield first, if it works out then maybe plunk down the bucks for something like https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/sh ... ul-07-05-1

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:30 pm**

Can you locate the headphone amp near the performer and send a line-level signal on your cable run alongside the instrument-level signal?

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:39 pm**

Adam P wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:30 pm Can you locate the headphone amp near the performer and send a line-level signal on your cable run alongside the instrument-level signal?

Yeah that's the entire plan - a small splitter amp like this guy parked on the pedal board. Vocals just go straight there and then out to the board & then he can hear his vocals in in-ears as loud as he wants w/out any feedback problems and then still keep one cable just like he would have normally w/ his guitar. I have done a similar thing myself having wired in-ears & found that having two cables somehow exponentially increases the tripping/tangling.

Honestly really what I'm trying to avoid is the expense of a wireless in-ears rig as well as keeping the whole package small and as plug-&-play as possible.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:50 pm**

Ahh, right on.

Battery-powered headphone amp attached to guitar strap?

Really, headphone amps are driving fairly low signals, depending on the impedance of the earpiece. It probably won’t be a problem.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:56 pm**

Oh dang, was just trying to figure something out like this as well. Definitely curious what you figure out Garth!

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:18 pm**

I guess if I had to describe something half-way similar it would be like a ric-o-sound box? Or maybe one of these Radial Catapaults where it joins all the cabling and runs it over one single cat 5 cable?

Posted: **Sat May 07, 2022 7:55 pm**

Garth wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:39 pm
Adam P wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:30 pm Can you locate the headphone amp near the performer and send a line-level signal on your cable run alongside the instrument-level signal?
Yeah that's the entire plan - a small splitter amp like this guy parked on the pedal board. Vocals just go straight there and then out to the board & then he can hear his vocals in in-ears as loud as he wants w/out any feedback problems and then still keep one cable just like he would have normally w/ his guitar. I have done a similar thing myself having wired in-ears & found that having two cables somehow exponentially increases the tripping/tangling.

Honestly really what I'm trying to avoid is the expense of a wireless in-ears rig as well as keeping the whole package small and as plug-&-play as possible.

We were talking about this at practice today, now that the guitarist and I are going to split vocal duties. He mentioned his dad gave him some wireless guitar dongle thing and we were wondering if it would be possible to use those to transmit the output from the splitter/headphone amp to the in-ears, so no extra cable besides the in-ear one.

Maybe something like this, but have an adapter so the in-ears can plug into the receiver.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail ... ess-system

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