Garth wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:23 pm
Could you send a headphone signal and instrument signal through the same cable? Or would the lightly-amplified signal coming from a headphone amp screw this up? My concern is that if it were like 4 or 5 conductor cable, there would be interference of some kind since nothing would be shielded from each other in this instance.
I'm basically trying to solution a way to get an in-ear signal and guitar output on the same cord w/ out something as wonky as zip ties & two cables (doesn't coil nicely and feels like too much stress on the cable). Two separate cables is strangely way more tripping hazard than the math would suggest, but everyone who's tracked in headphones in a studio knows this already.
This cable does exactly what I want but gets bad reviews for longevity (which should be zero surprise considering who owns this company now). I was thinking 5 pin XLR on both ends into the smallest possible splitter box. So clipped to guitar strap or belt, the guitar would have a short plug-in and then the in-ears too & the multi-conductor cable sends it down to the pedal board side, there to be split back out in to the pedalboard for the guitar and the headphone amp.
you can get cable with pairs that are independently shielded - if it's stranded, longevity may be okay.
My impulse was to find CAT 6 cable with foil shielded pairs and make a breakout box. Twisted pairs can also help with crosstalk. Shielded Cat 5/6 is perfectly good cable to run line and even Mic level signal through and is cheap. Just make sure you buy the shielded shit. You get 4 pairs and ground in a single piece of Cat cable. 1000' is like $250. and you can wire up breakout boxes in aluminum electrical junction boxes from Home Depot for a few bucks each. XLR style panel jacks fit perfectly in the punchouts of those. You can buy Cat panel jacks, XLR, 1/4" and make what ever you need.
Adam P wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:30 pm
Can you locate the headphone amp near the performer and send a line-level signal on your cable run alongside the instrument-level signal?
Yeah that's the entire plan - a small splitter amp like this guy parked on the pedal board. Vocals just go straight there and then out to the board & then he can hear his vocals in in-ears as loud as he wants w/out any feedback problems and then still keep one cable just like he would have normally w/ his guitar. I have done a similar thing myself having wired in-ears & found that having two cables somehow exponentially increases the tripping/tangling.
Honestly really what I'm trying to avoid is the expense of a wireless in-ears rig as well as keeping the whole package small and as plug-&-play as possible.
We were talking about this at practice today, now that the guitarist and I are going to split vocal duties. He mentioned his dad gave him some wireless guitar dongle thing and we were wondering if it would be possible to use those to transmit the output from the splitter/headphone amp to the in-ears, so no extra cable besides the in-ear one.
Maybe something like this, but have an adapter so the in-ears can plug into the receiver.
These will most definitely distort with a headphone signal I would guess, but try it out? There would need to be a amp on the Headphones side capable of driving the in ears, and these are made for Guitar level signals. I think there are probably things on the market for headphones that would work, or maybe Blue tooth? Not sure what the MS of Delay on a Bluetooth TX/RX is but might be worth looking at.
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 6:04 pm
by tallchris
Any idea what the guitar is that Vern starts playing ~19 minutes in? Fender-ish headstock throwing me off:
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 6:15 pm
by benadrian
tallchris wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 6:04 pm
Any idea what the guitar is that Vern starts playing ~19 minutes in? Fender-ish headstock throwing me off:
If you pause exactly at 19:14 or 19:15 you can just barely read Vox on the headstock.
Ahhh good eye!!!
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 10:39 pm
by Mickey242
A feild recorder that uses cassetes. Pre amps optional.
Sorry for the spelling. Cant see to good.
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 8:09 am
by Tom Wanderer
Marantz PMD 201
Sony TC-D5
I have a Panasonic VSC 830 that I love, but it's gotten a little janky over the years and it doesn't have an option to run on batteries. It is dead simple though and has a built in compressor that levels things out nicely. I've gotten some surprisingly great mid-fi recordings of loud live shows and band practices with it using the built in microphone. It's a dictation machine, though, so it's limited, but if you want to manipulate the recordings it's got variable speed control. The Marantz and Sony options were intended for field work and are capable of yielding much better results.
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 9:51 pm
by Mickey242
^ Thank you so much!
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:33 am
by Mickey242
I use to use Audio Mute for sound absorbation blankets. I bought one recently to try out and am not impressed with the new design. Any sajestions?
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2022 9:02 pm
by Kniferide
Mickey242 wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:33 am
I use to use Audio Mute for sound absorbation blankets. I bought one recently to try out and am not impressed with the new design. Any sajestions?
I clamp sleeping bags to the rafters of my basement with woodworking clamps.
