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1009 wrote:Riff Magnum wrote:This might sound weird, but i'm looking for classical 45's that i can play at 33 rpm's. I've been looking for stuff by Wagner and in general pieces that are pretty glacial already. It's hard to find something that specific.Egdon Heath by Gustav Holst is a short piece but starts in a way that might work for you. It's one of my favorite compositions at regular speed, anyhow.Thanks. That piece is pretty awesome on its own, i agree. The intro might work if i could find it on 45, but i'm really looking for something really slow and ambient. I used to have a bunch of old Wagner 78's, but i think they've been lost during our last few moves.

Hmmmm, maybe i can get lucky. Or maybe i'll just drag the needle on some 33 rpm records.I would play those old Wagner 78's on 33rpm and they sounded other worldly. I'm just looking for ways to incorporate weirdness/ambience into my own music without getting all nerdy into keyboards, computers, samplers, etc. This is my idea of a poor mans keyboard. Plus its fun. Getting zonked doesn't hurt either.

i've never heard that, but that piece is pretty close to what i'm aiming for. I should slow his music down and steal from the stealer.

geiginni wrote:No problem Anthony. I will start off by saying that I'm a bit of a curmudgeon about minimalist music. I tend to like a lot of ideas and contrasts, particularly harmonic ones, presented in rather fast order. I get quickly tired of one chord, even if it adds a second or dim.7 after seven minutes. With that I really like the composer John Adams. I think his piece Harmonielehre is one of the best pieces written in the 80s. He presents rich dynamic harmonic contrasts and isn't afraid to add sections and present some greater forms of an almost 'deconstructed' counterpoint. Gloria Coates has written some of the most intense and harmonically interesting music, starting around the end of the Darmstadt School (mid/late 60s) period up to today. Much of her music focuses on glissandi, with the parts arranged in canon, which must be played very carefully so that the rising and falling glissandi of each instrument will align at certain times (in meter, but barely perceptible as such), and produce very perceptible harmonic intervals that last for but a moment and the rising and falling glissandi keep moving and only lining up harmonically for those brief moments. It's really fucking intense stuff, but very beautiful too. The String Quartets and Symphonies are all available on the Naxos label. The 5th and 7th String Quartets are a good place to start. Also, not minimalist, but on my mind as I'm writing this: Charles Ives. Very interesting music, very 'American' in character - even more so that Copeland or Barber. I've been digging the recording of his four sonatas for Violin and Piano by Hilary Hahn and Valentina Lisitsa.Beautiful! Thanks for these!*Edit: I'm buying Harmonielehre as soon as humanly possible. It's fucking great. Just what I was looking for. This is the first time in a long time I've heard something that sounds physically powerful. Thank you for this.Will be checking out the others you recommended first thing later this morning.

No problem Anthony. I will start off by saying that I'm a bit of a curmudgeon about minimalist music. I tend to like a lot of ideas and contrasts, particularly harmonic ones, presented in rather fast order. I get quickly tired of one chord, even if it adds a second or dim.7 after seven minutes. With that I really like the composer John Adams. I think his piece Harmonielehre is one of the best pieces written in the 80s. He presents rich dynamic harmonic contrasts and isn't afraid to add sections and present some greater forms of an almost 'deconstructed' counterpoint. Gloria Coates has written some of the most intense and harmonically interesting music, starting around the end of the Darmstadt School (mid/late 60s) period up to today. Much of her music focuses on glissandi, with the parts arranged in canon, which must be played very carefully so that the rising and falling glissandi of each instrument will align at certain times (in meter, but barely perceptible as such), and produce very perceptible harmonic intervals that last for but a moment and the rising and falling glissandi keep moving and only lining up harmonically for those brief moments. It's really fucking intense stuff, but very beautiful too. The String Quartets and Symphonies are all available on the Naxos label. The 5th and 7th String Quartets are a good place to start. Also, not minimalist, but on my mind as I'm writing this: Charles Ives. Very interesting music, very 'American' in character - even more so that Copeland or Barber. I've been digging the recording of his four sonatas for Violin and Piano by Hilary Hahn and Valentina Lisitsa.

If you guys like that Ginastrera piece, you should really check out his early string quartets.

geiginni wrote:If you guys like that Ginastrera piece, you should really check out Toccata by Emerson, Lake & Palmer.FYPwikipedia wrote:The progressive rock group Emerson, Lake & Palmer brought Ginastera attention outside of modern classical music circles when they adapted the fourth movement of his first piano concerto and recorded it on their popular album Brain Salad Surgery under the title Toccata. They recorded the piece not only with Ginastera's permission, but with his endorsement. In 1973, when they were recording the album, Keith Emerson met with Ginastera at his home in Switzerland and played a recording of his arrangement for him. Ginastera is reported to have said, Diabolico!. Emerson misunderstood Ginastera's meaning: Ginastera spoke almost no English and meant that their interpretation was frightening, which had been his intent when he wrote it; Emerson, being British, took it to mean awful. Emerson was so upset that he was prepared to scrap the piece until Ginastera's wife intervened saying that he approved. Ginastera later said, You have captured the essence of my music, and no one's ever done that before. This experience is detailed in the liner notes to Brain Salad Surgery. Emerson would later go on to release an adaptation of one of the pieces from Ginastera's Suite de Danzas Criollas entitled Creole Dance. Toccata also gained fame as the theme to the New England cult TV show Creature Double Feature. Italian neo-classical electric guitarist Alex Masi has also recorded an adaptation of Toccata, one strongly based on the aforementioned ELP version, rather than the original orchestral piece. It can be found on 1989's Attack of the Neon Shark.I have not listened to the above piece. At your own risk...

dude plays some monstrous music

That's some goddamn great shit there.

Friend of mine doing a ginastera piece. He recently finished his masters in music at the manhattan school of music. I need more classical music like this. Emphasis Harmony /dissonance / rhythm / timbre rather than melody.