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"What are the true costs of financing the economy with debt?"

"Can there be prosperity without debt?"


Rick- I've thought about these questions a lot and I don't think I can answer them truthfully and fully without a little bit more clarification. What sort of debt are you referring to? Personal? Federal? Local? Mortgage? Please don't say all of them, because I think the question would be impossible to answer in the context of a message board- IMO. In general, I don't think that all debt is bad. The classification of debt as good or bad depends on the type, reason, and the person or entity's ability to repay it. Also, what do you mean by true cost? I assume you don't mean dollars and cents, but rather some sort of pleasure or pain measure. Maybe I'm wrong on the last one- just a guess.

For your 2nd question- what is prosperity? and who benefits from it? If a small town issues bonds to build a new water treatment plant that improves the quality of life, then I say that that debt is good and adds to the potential prosperity of the town. In this case debt is necessary for prosperity (town needs clean water to grow and to take care of its current people, and needs the tax revenue to pay the bonds). If you're referring to general prosperity, then I have no clue how to answer your question.

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Rick Reuben wrote:
Nico Adie wrote:BobRick, have you been reading about the Northern Rock bank/building society in the UK?

Yes, their emergency loan? Watch Barclay's closely, too.

Lots of short term loans coming due next week for British banks.


Their emergency loan, hundreds of their customers withdrawing the entire contents of their accounts, widespread despair etc.

I'm glad that I don't have a mortgage and that my folks have paid their mortgage off. They had to endure the whole "Endowment" fuck up, and received no compensation.

I fucking hate banks.
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Nico Adie wrote:
Rick Reuben wrote:
Nico Adie wrote:BobRick, have you been reading about the Northern Rock bank/building society in the UK?

Yes, their emergency loan? Watch Barclay's closely, too.

Lots of short term loans coming due next week for British banks.


Their emergency loan, hundreds of their customers withdrawing the entire contents of their accounts, widespread despair etc.

I'm glad that I don't have a mortgage and that my folks have paid their mortgage off. They had to endure the whole "Endowment" fuck up, and received no compensation.

I fucking hate banks.


Yeah, it's crazy stuff. Over £2 billion withdrawn in two days.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6997264.stm

My parents did have their mortgage with the Northern Rock, but only recently switched.

What's more the Northern Rock have their head offices in Newcastle and they are responsible for hundreds of jobs in the area.

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El Protoolio wrote:
R.F.F. wrote:
El Protoolio wrote:Housing prices in Chicago have dropped 32% in the last few months. Like, woah!


Where are you getting that information? Source please.


Actually the statistic was for single family homes in Lincoln Square, not all real estate in Chicago. I heard it this morning on WBEZ.


Thanks. That 32% decrease is due to the lack of sales of the multi-million dollar McMasions- according to the story. If you factor those out, the average home price in Lincoln Square has been fairly static- according to what I see on the MLS. Also, people aren't getting $500k for a tear-down in Lincoln Square anymore- more like $400K-, because the multi-million dollar McMasions that are built on them aren't selling, so there is a big drop there. I have a typical run of the mill house in Lincoln square and so far we have been pretty flat value wise (I check all the time)- a house sold on my block a few weeks ago for an obscene amount of money. So I guess it's how you look at the numbers. I still think that the average Chicago home will weather the storm just fine. The multi-million dollar home and the tear-down will continue to suffer. So what I'm saying is that the 32% is not across the board. Thanks again for the link.

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