yut wrote:Their "smells like teen spirit" video obviously resonated more with high school students than anyone else. Clever marketing of an OK product.

deodorant?

wellsyuk wrote:The fact is, Cobain's blood, sweat, jizz (ed: steady on!)and vomit are splattered across all their albums, and I think their music and attitude contributed to the most honest/sincere and yet, blistering pieces of work to emerge onto the musical scene. In Utero being the pinnacle of that.

Yeah, when I saw them live his fingers were bleeding because he played so hard. At that point, I loved the band. What is not to like about Negative Creep? But Nevermind and beyond went into the realm of Starbucks music. Safe rebellion, teenage-oriented lyrics, and simplified, poppy music.

Teen Spirit berry blossom deodorant is good, but way overrated.

Genesis is much better:

John W. wrote:Teen Spirit berry blossom deodorant is good, but way overrated.

Genesis is much better:

yes! and the snub-nose style cannister fits into the rectum more easily.

now what does it smell like?

yut wrote:

wellsyuk wrote:The fact is, Cobain's blood, sweat, jizz (ed: steady on!)and vomit are splattered across all their albums, and I think their music and attitude contributed to the most honest/sincere and yet, blistering pieces of work to emerge onto the musical scene. In Utero being the pinnacle of that.

Yeah, when I saw them live his fingers were bleeding because he played so hard. At that point, I loved the band. What is not to like about Negative Creep? But Nevermind and beyond went into the realm of Starbucks music. Safe rebellion, teenage-oriented lyrics, and simplified, poppy music.

good thing you liked 'em before they got popular. that could have been embarrassing.

Well... I like plenty of bands on major labels... Shudder To Think, Jawbox, Helmet, Yes, Genesis, Dream Theater, etc.

What I don't like is 3 chord major key ditties and Starbucks coffee house acoustic strummers. Bleach was a good record, but their other crap sounds like it was targeted for focus groups. Their post-Bleach music bores me to tears! That two-note part in Smells Like Teen Spirit is offensively simplistic. It's like he was saying "Look, I'm wasted right now, so these two notes sound pretty darn good to me".

If they kept on sounding like the Melvins, I would have probably enjoyed their later records, but I would take Ozma or Gluey Porch Treatments over anything Nirvana has done...

Oh, Melvins... Another major label band I like.

The point is, I don't care about the market, and I think Nirvana gets more credit for selling units than for writing great music. Unless you think it is an accomplishment to string together 3 chords.

The worst thing was all the time I wasted in the 90's playing music with people who validated 3 chord rock because of Nirvana. Being so bored, I almost fell asleep at the drums...

I'm sorry, but as soon as Nirvana was signed to a major label, their sound changed to be very marketable. Their lyrics were geared towards teenagers, and heavy riffs disappeared in favor of stereotypical pop rock formations.

Speaking of Genesis, Nirvana made records that were almost as good as Invisible Touch, which is a piece o' merde.

kerble wrote:good thing you liked 'em before they got popular. that could have been embarrassing.

Actually, they were somewhat popular when Bleach was out and they were touring with Dinosaur Jr. At least everyone in my high school who listened to non-top 40 music was listening to them. Anyone into Sonic Youth or Dino Jr would most likely have Bleach around. Heck, even some Primus fans (hey, another major label band I like (well... some stuff)).

Not popular to the extent that frat boys were wearing Nirvana t-shirts... No, that didn't happen until about September of 1991.

kerble wrote:

John W. wrote:Teen Spirit berry blossom deodorant is good, but way overrated.

Genesis is much better:

yes! and the snub-nose style cannister fits into the rectum more easily.

now what does it smell like?

Smells like a cool music video that all the cool kids at the mall will enjoy. Maybe if they do acoustic sets they can get some of that 30-something dollar...

Come on... This was one of the most successful marketing strategies of the 90's. They were willing to bend every which way to become marketable. You can respect that, and it's fair for someone to make money. You can also make a little less money and have some integrity. It is possible. There are people who pull it off all the time.

sixteenrev wrote:http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorialsopinion/2001798582_nirvanaed23.html

Yeah... The Democrats are about as compelling as Nirvana and a tall mochacinno latte.

I could never listen to a whole Nirvana album. I often found them maddeningly inconsistent, regardless of affiliation or marketing. In retrospect I can put every Nirvana song I like on one disc, maybe 14 songs, tops, and 2 of those are covers. I believe they released 4 albums proper. For me that's one out of four.

Anyway, the manner in which Cobain passed essentially guaranteed canonization, whether deserved or not, but to me that does not matter. Not enough good tunes for me, gotta vote CRAP.

-Jeremy