conduit wrote:Hello, Rimbaud III, pleased to meet you .
Let's clear something before going any further: I've seen war and lived through it in my own country some 11-14 years ago and remember the general «who-cares» attitude by many Western «it can't-happen-here» countries. Human suffering is an universal and familiar condition, unfortunately. I have deep understanding for the citizens of London and and their anger/whatever, but human life should be a human life, at least it is for me. So, in the end: what do we do with 40 dead in Baghdad and 40 dead in London on a same day? We have breaking news and media coverage related to... those in London.

This isn't a particularly new insight, is it? Your dig at the rest of us in your earlier post fails to reflect that one of the main points coming out in this thread is that we're getting on with our lives. You will find it hard to find a regular poster here who does not believe Western media is hideously skewed, so your sanctimony is wasted here.

This thread reflects the fact that three bombs went off with major injury and loss of life in the vicinity of many of the posters here. We do not seek special privilege, nor do we claim to be noble by dint of our luck in missing injury or our fortunate status in living in a wealthy country where death is usually non-violent.

conduit wrote:Uhm, is this a thread about explosions that occur in Baghdad on a daily basis?
Oh, it isn't? It's about some other city? Sorry. I see, so this is a place where people mourn the noble ones, not the poor ones.
It takes a special kind of explosion to become aware of something. Anything.
Some lives ARE bigger than others.

I have friends in London. It is the capital city of the country I live in. I'm interested (amongst other emotions) when there is a violent attack on it. I don't think that this is in any way immoral.

Like it or not (and I certainly don't), there is a war in Iraq, which involves bombs going off rather frequently. A bomb in London is more newsworthy. Anyway, bombs in Iraq ARE reported on the UK news; it's not like no-one is aware of what's going on; it's just that to those of us in the UK, this is bigger news than the war we already knew about.

I hope that joining the board in order to make a post COMPLAINING about a discussion about a terrorist attack made you feel better.

conduit wrote:Hello, Rimbaud III, pleased to meet you .
Let's clear something before going any further: I've seen war and lived through it in my own country some 11-14 years ago and remember the general «who-cares» attitude by many Western «it can't-happen-here» countries. Human suffering is an universal and familiar condition, unfortunately. I have deep understanding for the citizens of London and and their anger/whatever, but human life should be a human life, at least it is for me. So, in the end: what do we do with 40 dead in Baghdad and 40 dead in London on a same day? We have breaking news and media coverage related to... those in London.

Since we're being polite, hello conduit [insert your own smilie here].

Do you not think it's a little distasteful to make the comments you did in the light of what we've (and I'm not just talking about the Londoners caught right in the fray here either) experienced? So our perceived nonchalance about atrocities elsewhere should prevent us from grieving? That's what your implying. Nobody in this country has implied that there's some inherent uniqueness to our suffering because we're the "noble ones".
Have you stopped to consider why an attack of homeland terrorism might garner more coverage than one abroad - particularly in a country where this has become (depressingly) normal?

The answer's in the question, by the way.

conduit wrote:Hello, Rimbaud III, pleased to meet you .
Let's clear something before going any further: I've seen war and lived through it in my own country some 11-14 years ago and remember the general «who-cares» attitude by many Western «it can't-happen-here» countries. Human suffering is an universal and familiar condition, unfortunately. I have deep understanding for the citizens of London and and their anger/whatever, but human life should be a human life, at least it is for me. So, in the end: what do we do with 40 dead in Baghdad and 40 dead in London on a same day? We have breaking news and media coverage related to... those in London.

Your point has validity to be sure, but at the same time displays extreme lack of taste and also a mind-fuckingly banal sense of what is and is not worth pointing-out.

*NEWSFLASH*

I doubt there is a single EA forum-member who isn't aware that the western media values western lives above other lives.

I doubt that there is a single EA forum-member who agrees that western lives are of more 'value' than other lives.

In short, take your point-scoring banalities and fuck off.

You twat.

Champion Rabbit wrote:

conduit wrote:Hello, Rimbaud III, pleased to meet you .
Let's clear something before going any further: I've seen war and lived through it in my own country some 11-14 years ago and remember the general «who-cares» attitude by many Western «it can't-happen-here» countries. Human suffering is an universal and familiar condition, unfortunately. I have deep understanding for the citizens of London and and their anger/whatever, but human life should be a human life, at least it is for me. So, in the end: what do we do with 40 dead in Baghdad and 40 dead in London on a same day? We have breaking news and media coverage related to... those in London.

Your point has validity to be sure, but at the same time displays extreme lack of taste and also a mind-fuckingly banal sense of what is and is not worth pointing-out.

*NEWSFLASH*

I doubt there is a single EA forum-member who isn't aware that the western media values western lives above other lives.

I doubt that there is a single EA forum-member who agrees that western lives are of more 'value' than other lives.

In short, take your point-scoring banalities and fuck off.

You twat.

That seems to have done it.

Get in Rabbit.

conduit, you are a jerk.

i saw some ridiculous london based reporter last night on, i think, nightline. she compared the attacks to that of 9/11.

she said, “unlike americans during 9/11, londoners are keeping their heads up and are persevering as opposed to feeling sorry for themselves.â€

Feeling sorry for ourselves:



Hey, am I too late to call Conduit a twat?

Uhm, is this a thread about explosions that occur in Baghdad on a daily basis?
Oh, it isn't? It's about some other city? Sorry. I see, so this is a place where people mourn the noble ones, not the poor ones.
It takes a special kind of explosion to become aware of something. Anything.
Some lives ARE bigger than others.

not wanting to jump on the proverbial bandwagon here by calling conduit a twat (which he/she obviously is), but lets get one thing streight about london vs. baghdad:


if london was blown to little pieces every day for TWO YEARS then it wouldn't be getting the coverage it has been for oooooo, all of 36 hours.


there is a big differance between the two situations. yes, western media is biased towards its own disasters, but this was an exceptional case. london/great britain has been bombed countless time during the 70's and 80's by the IRA, and even the american media didn't give it much attention even though our two countries have been firm alies for the best part of a century now.

you see, we brits are no strangers to terrorism. the differances between attacks to us and to our alies, is that we have been targeted by ten's of different groups for 40 years. i think that the spanish are the only people who have been on the recieving end of terrorism for longer than us (and their terrorists are homegrown). we've had the IRA, the lybians, and now the extremeistm'Muslims' who hide behined a great and peaceful religion.


this IS different to baghdad.

you are an arrogant, uninformed dipshit.

I usually try not to post drunk but tonight is an exception.

Me and some friends have spent the night getting pissd and blasting AC/DC out as loud as we can. My friend is playing guitar solos on his crutches (not a bomb related injury). It is now 3.45 am. The music is loud.

In the absence of any coherent political insight, I would like to repeat what my crutch dependent friend shouted a few minutes ago:

"Let the fuckers try and bomb us while we're doing the Bad Boy Boogie!"

I must now return to my headbanging.

Salut, EA forum! You are a whole lot of woman!

Peace.

x

uk_chris wrote:

Uhm, is this a thread about explosions that occur in Baghdad on a daily basis?
Oh, it isn't? It's about some other city? Sorry. I see, so this is a place where people mourn the noble ones, not the poor ones.
It takes a special kind of explosion to become aware of something. Anything.
Some lives ARE bigger than others.

not wanting to jump on the proverbial bandwagon here by calling conduit a twat (which he/she obviously is), but lets get one thing streight about london vs. baghdad:


if london was blown to little pieces every day for TWO YEARS then it wouldn't be getting the coverage it has been for oooooo, all of 36 hours.

tonight the teevee told me that currently underway is the largest police investigation in the history of England. maybe it's newsworthy?

i would be curious to see british teevee over these past hours/days... if it's anything like american teevee, they will use the normal practice, where they beat into submission anyone who will look at a teevee enough times, to the point where eventually you have seen so much of the same coverage, the same photos, the same videos, with slightly fresher details, maybe a turnaround or two, until you are so fucking sick of hearing about it that you just want it to go away. sometimes this takes only a day, sometimes a week, or more, but eventually people tire of the story. and then go on with life, having had the event expanded to astronomic proportions in the public psyche by its having been the "top story" for so very long.

does UK tele do this same sort of thing?