Insane Clown Posse is one of the worst piles of drivel I've ever been unfortunate enough to expose my ears to. I checked youtube to make sure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icvRDSzB7Dc

Horrible. Embarrassing even in my own home.

Johnny C wrote:Have we covered Public Enemy yet? Grandmaster Flash? Del Tha Funkee Homosapien? Jurassic 5? Ice Cube? Atmosphere? Buck 65? Socalled? Busdriver? Subtitle? Subtle? Cadence Weapon?

If we haven't covered that, then I suggest we take a few pages where we don't talk about the Insane Fucking Clown Posse.

Seriously, guys. ICP are wrestlers. Please move onto musicians, or at least actual 'rappers' if you believe them to be different species.

I like rap as a genre. I like it when it's done well.

I don't think there are very many good rap artists.

My views on rock are similar, but more well-informed - plus, I know more groups/artists in rock, since it was my first musical love and will probably remain that way. Rap is not my first love, so I can't comment nearly as well about it.

But...you can't really argue well against Public Enemy at their peak.

Yeah but it seems that PE is more influential to ''rock'' orientated "white" audiences .

It seems that most of todays Rappers cite the likes of NWA, Eric B &Rakim, Slick Rick, tupac/biggie or even de la sou as bigger influences than say PE.

I don't know, PE have always struck me as overrated....... the rap group for socially responsible, white kids to like...and that just grates me

I don't know, they just seem smug, best way I can describe it is ...

PE = THE CLASH

NWA = SEX PISTOLS




P.S FLAVOR FLAV IS A FOOKING GOOSE

roberto wrote:It seems that most of todays Rappers cite the likes of NWA, Eric B &Rakim, Slick Rick, tupac/biggie or even de la sou as bigger influences than say PE.

totally true.

also true that whites have a thing for PE, particularly rock critics i think. but whites have a thing for all kinds of rap. plenty of whites like all the acts you mentioned.

is there still rap music? are people still doing that stupid shit?

man, that's sad

Marsupialized wrote:is there still rap music? are people still doing that stupid shit?

man, that's sad

i suppose they make it but its not rap anymore. its like how a jazz musician might say "yea man i used to play jazz. i don't anymore, nobody does, jazz was an esoteric thing that nobody dabbles in anymore, what they make today isn't jazz." what he said, for rap.

could someone please explain to me how in hell soulja boy is a fucking hit? I mean thats got to be the worst song I have ever heard, there isn't even a verse. Its just moaning and grunting and the occasional super soak that ho!?!?!?

Marsupialized wrote:is there still rap music?

yeah but the college kids ONLY call it "Hip Hop"

'rap' is a dirty word.

Rap is what black,drug dealing, street thugs do (see- they only want to make money.)

Hip Hop is for 'politically awoken', middle class kiddies (who have a soooul)

Their gonna take the game back to 84'

exhibit A:
Ice Cube is a capitalist whore, michael franti is a real artist!!!!!!

roberto wrote:

Marsupialized wrote:is there still rap music?

yeah but the college kids ONLY call it "Hip Hop"

well, i don't think it's just the college kids. i think while there's a lot of disagreement over terms (just like in rock -- no kidding! who's punk and who's not?) there's a widespread notion among lots of people who may or may not have ever been in college that

hip hop is the genre
rap is the vocal style of the genre

sort of like

metal is the genre
chugging is the rhythm guitar style of the genre
shredding is the lead guitar style of the genre

therefore

hip hop is made by rappers and producers and djs, and if you want to extend beyond music, the "four elements of hip hop" also include breakdancers and graffiti artists.

rap was a more popular term in the past because the genre was new so it was like "oh you know, the music with the rapping", sort of like how every rapper had MC in their name, and now they don't, but they still refer to each other as MCs. why? because they all still consider themselves MCs, and refer to rapping as MCing, so at this point in time they don't need to state in their names.

make sense?